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Amanda Lukow
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Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 03:46 pm:       

But I can't find anything about what I'm going to ask...

We're in the process of starting a new cycle on a 20 gallon tank. We plan on using ammonium chloride, however, we have no idea how much to use. Anyone have any experience using this?
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Joe C
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Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 05:51 pm:       

http://badmanstropicalfish.com/articles/article14.html
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Amanda Lukow
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Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 06:58 pm:       

Actually, that's where we got the idea to use ammonium chloride for the fishless cycling, but unfortunately, we can't find a conversion table to convert grams into teaspoon measurements. We don't have a scale to measure 0.011 grams per gallon. We were kinda hoping if someone knew if it was 1/8 of a teaspoon, about a pinch, or what a good guesstimate would be.
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Gopi
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Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 07:33 pm:       

http://www.gourmetsleuth.com/gram_calc.htm

according to that, it's .002 teaspoons which is 1/500 of a teaspoon per gallon

so, 20 gallons of water means you need 1/25 of a teaspoon :-) Good luck measuring that!
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molly b
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Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 07:49 pm:       

Don't quote me on this, but I was wondering...
if you put 1 tsp.of ammonia into 24 tsp of water (looked on that link, 24tsp is about 1/2 cup) and then used 1 teaspoon of the water mixture, would that give you a solution that had 1/25 of a tsp of ammonia in 24/25 tsp of water...does this make any sense??? My thinking is that then there would be 25 teaspoons of liquid, 1/25 of it would be ammonia (ouch, my brain hurts)
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Amanda Lukow
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Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 08:30 pm:       

Oi, I think you broke my brain too, Molly :-P Actually, we went ahead and added the ammonium earlier (we have the patience of two year olds). We may have overdone it just a teensy bit (like, an eighth of a teaspoon), but since there aren't any fish in there, it shouldn't matter too much, right?

We upped the temp. Should hit 90 tomorrow. Added some gravel from our current tank to the filter, and Joey's letting another one of the filters sit in the current tank to accumulate good bacteria. So, in a couple days we'll be adding that.

One more quickie question that Joey just asked me and I have no clue what the answer is:

If we match up the pHs, the temps, the ammonias, nitrates, nitrites of our two current tanks, would we still have to acclimate fish between the two tanks, or could we just plunk one from another?
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Gopi
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Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 09:07 pm:       

Actually, having too high an ammonia reading kills the bacteria that converts it. Test the water and if it's over 2ppm change enough to get it under (you may have to test several times)

Your ammonia and nitrIte should be zero if your other tanks are cycled. Once the tank is cycled and if the pH match and the temp is close you *could* just "plunk one from another" but you mght want to do a short acclimation just in case.
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Amanda Lukow
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Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 11:33 pm:       

Thank you, Gopi! Actually, he must not have added too much, because the ammonia's not showing all too high right now.

Hope everyone has a good night, and thank you all for your help!
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russ
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Posted on Sunday, April 02, 2006 - 01:19 pm:       

Amanda,

This might an easier read to follow:

http://badmanstropicalfish.com/discus/messages/27480/46972.html?1127180082

You may also start with a slightly lower ammonia concentration of 2-3ppm instead of the 3-5ppm indicated in the link. The bacteria that Gopi mentioned which would be adversely affected by ammonia would be the nitrospira, which converts nitrite to nitrate.

ps. I think that 90F temp is a bit too high.


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Gopi
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Registered: 01-2004


Posted on Sunday, April 02, 2006 - 02:26 pm:       

eh, 2 bacteria, i had a 50/50 shot
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Amanda Lukow
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Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 12:15 pm:       

Thanks Russ. As it is, I forgot how goofy this heater is. It was up to 95, and Joey turned it down. Now it's at 72. Oi.

Definitely need to get a new heater before we put any fish in there...
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