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Amy
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Post Number: 1038
Registered: 04-2003


Posted on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 07:05 pm:       

I have heard varying things on which fish are better for black beard algae - bushey nose pleco, 'true' siamese algae eater, otos... opinions?
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Brad
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Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 10:09 am:       

IMO fixing your co2 problem is the better choice. Imagine if yoy set up a tank to take care of all your problems.

MTS to aerate your substrate, loaches to keep the snails in check, Florida Flag and shrimp fish to eat thread algae, ottos to eat diatoms, SAE to eat BBA, Nerites and BN`s to eat everything else.

You`d have a whole community of fish just to eat algae and you wouldn`t get to have any of the fish you enjoy.
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TruCelt
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Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 12:44 pm:       

The best beard algae eaters I've ever had were guppies. My SAEs couldn't get near the stuff. You could get just one male - would be pretty, wouldn't breed, and they only live a year or so . . .

Buying a single female might work, but if she's ever been with a male she could be storing sperm and start filling your tank with babies.

Given the choices you listed I'd pick ottos. They don't take up much bioload, are really fun to watch (when you see them!) and don't cause problems with the other fish. They do have a tendency to disappear though - often reappearing after six months. Somebody said the problem originates on Betelgeuse . . .

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bunny
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Post Number: 437
Registered: 02-2003


Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 06:08 am:       

Hi Amy,

I'm having a big brush/black beard algae outbreak & I have both an oto and two bn plecos in the tank. Nila, my oto, loves brown algae. The plecos, Ish and Min, do a great job on soft green algae that collects on the glass, but struggle with green spot algae. Brad's right, it's easy to have a tank full of algae eaters and still have algae.

Erin's been helping me choose a CO2 supplement & I'm going out for Flourish Excel tomorrow. CO2 and plenty of stem plants are her Rx.

That's neat about guppies. I'd heard Amano/ghost shrimp do a great job with brush/beard algaes, too.
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Amy
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Post Number: 1039
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Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 10:00 am:       

I don't really want to get into adding c02...

the otos can't keep up...

the val died off so all I have is anubias, java fern, moss balls... all covered with brown algae...

I got tired of stem plants and having to constantly trim them when I had the 75...
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bunny
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Post Number: 438
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Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 05:49 pm:       

Amy,

Do otos in general have trouble with CO2? (...before I go leaping into CO2, I thought I'd better ask...)
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Amy
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Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 06:00 pm:       

I don't have c02 injection...
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cindy
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Post Number: 9567
Registered: 05-2003


Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 10:17 pm:       

I've always read that SAE are the only fish that eat black brush algae, if this is what you are talking about:
http://www.floridadriftwood.com/brush_algae.jpg
...but have never had the pleasure of finding out.

I got a bit of it when I bought some plants at the aquatic societies auction, and none of my algae eating fish (otos, BN, clown, rubberlip or common plecos) or amano shrimp have ever even nibbled at it. I just pick it off the edges of the anubias by hand. It doesn't exactly grow quickly so it isn't difficult to keep up with.

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Alastair Grant
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Registered: 01-2006
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 06:47 am:       

I have 3 otto's in my 130Ltr tank with added CO2 (2 x Nutrafin DIY) and they have never had any kind of problem.

I also have Amano shrimp in the tank - between them they keep the tank clean of algae.

However I have had less algae since adding CO2 .... apart from the expected initial surge of algae ... once the plants get established they dont leave much in the way of nutrients for the algae to thrive on !
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steveo
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Registered: 01-2005


Posted on Friday, March 24, 2006 - 05:19 pm:       

Our tanks are always going to have some algae, but fixing water parameters is the way to go.
I always added KNO3 & CO2 to my tank and never had an algae problem.
When I started added other nutients like phosphate, and trace elements I had a huge algae bloom.
Just remember, its all about balance.
Too much of one thing or lack of another will always be bad.
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Jeff L
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Post Number: 236
Registered: 01-2005
Posted on Sunday, March 26, 2006 - 07:58 pm:       

I'll throw out this question...I've seen tests for ammonia, nitrates, nitrites, ph, etc. But I haven't seen one for phosphates. And aside from water changes, what would one do if they were too high? And what causes high phosphates since what I'm reading (mostly here) about the cycle doesn't include them...

Lotsa questions about one thing...
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cindy
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Registered: 05-2003


Posted on Monday, March 27, 2006 - 05:28 am:       

They exist and readily available:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=phosphate+test+kit

Here's more: http://badmanstropicalfish.com/discus/messages/231/64961.html?1143391731

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