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compensate
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Username: compensate

Post Number: 23
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 09:32 am:       

I am looking for AFFORDABLE, quality lighting for a freshwater 36" tank I will be getting in the future. It will be a moderately planted tank, using mainly easy-to-grow plants that require no more than low to moderate light levels.

There are so many types and varieties, it is hard to make a decsion. There are varying bulb sizes, different types of bulbs, etc. What about a dual T-5 lamp strip lighting, like the one at the link below? It is a Coralife F/W T-5 Aqualight Double Strip Light 36".

http://www.bigalsonline.com/catalog/product.xml?product_id=32850;category_id=1853;pcid1=1843;pcid2=

Help please.
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Brad
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Username: brad

Post Number: 1702
Registered: 03-2005


Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 10:08 am:       

That`s a good choice if you really do stick to the low light plants as you mentioned. I have this one and your choice of plants becomes almost limitless.
http://www.bigalsonline.com/catalog/product.xml?product_id=29551;category_id=1875;pcid1=1843;pcid2=
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compensate
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Username: compensate

Post Number: 24
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 10:19 am:       

Very good. I saw that one, too. I've heard that those power compact fluorescents are pretty good. The near $90 price tag, though, will likely delay my acquisition of my entire 38g set up . . . unless I opt to build my own stand (and time is the tough factor in that project) . . .

Thanks!
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Randy
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Username: milesteg

Post Number: 166
Registered: 01-2006


Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 03:12 pm:       

Hi,
You could look into these.
I'm using this brand with no complaints.

http://www.aquatraders.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=20

OR

http://www.aquatraders.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=144
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compensate
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Username: compensate

Post Number: 32
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 03:53 pm:       

Very nice price, too.

Question: What is the benefit of having an actinic blue bulb with the full-spectrum bulb? Isn't that dim light?

Just wondering because the lower wattage dual-bulb light I was looking at had both a 6700K and a 10000K bulb. Would that be brighter light for plants?

Thanks again for the links!
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Brad
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Username: brad

Post Number: 1707
Registered: 03-2005


Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 04:02 pm:       

10000K aren`t the ideal lights for plants. They`re used for marine tanks. 6700K is fine.
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compensate
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Username: compensate

Post Number: 33
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 04:06 pm:       

What about a dual-bulb strip that includes both a 6700K and a 10000K bulb? Should work OK for plants, too, right?

I also noticed that the last link was a lighting fixture with a separate ballast. Won't this add to clutter?
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Randy
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Username: milesteg

Post Number: 168
Registered: 01-2006


Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 04:41 pm:       

Hi,
I like the ballast of those lights, it means less bulk above the tank and you can hang the ballast on the wall.

My tanks:
http://www.badmanstropicalfish.com/species-gallery/gallery_main.html/photo-gallery/displayimage.php?album=lastup&c at=10148&pos=1
Behind the wall:
http://www.badmanstropicalfish.com/species-gallery/gallery_main.html/photo-gallery/displayimage.php?album=lastup&c at=10148&pos=1

More later about the light types, when I get home where I have links.
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Randy
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Username: milesteg

Post Number: 169
Registered: 01-2006


Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 08:47 pm:       

Here is a Badman's link:
http://badmanstropicalfish.com/basics/basics_lighting.html
This one is not bad. Pun
http://www.bestfish.com/newfl.html
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compensate
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Username: compensate

Post Number: 37
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 09:35 pm:       

Thanks for the links! You've got quite the set-up!

As far as ballasts go, I can't mount one to a wall - maybe to the back of the aquarium stand? I think I prefer an all-in-one light-ballast set-up personally, but I see the advantage from an appearance perspective.

Anyone heard about Jebo brand of lights? Are they decent quality? Do they have a vent of some sort to keep the strip cool? In a picture, it looks like a "leg" mount is required for proper fixture ventillation - don't see vent holes. They seem to be the most affordable higher-wattage lights out there. . .
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flyingfish
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Username: flyingfish

Post Number: 241
Registered: 01-2006
Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 09:46 pm:       

I got this:
http://bigalsonline.com/catalog/product.xml?product_id=29623;category_id=1875;pcid1=1843;pcid2=
I like it alot. They are having a promo for it now. I had to purchase an additional dual daylight bulb and swap out the actinic. I run a single bulb in the morning switch the second on in the afternoon till early evening then moonlighting at night for the full effect. Its all easily done with some timers. Upgraded lighting should be followed up with co2 and or proper fertilization. The live plant section would be a great place to find out some more information.

Brad, You got me thinking about getting all 6700k bulbs next time around. I like the crisp look of these bulbs tho.
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cindy
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Post Number: 9570
Registered: 05-2003


Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 10:50 pm:       

You know Kevin, it might be time to suggest that you only start one thread - in one forum - per topic. Starting multiple threads, especially in different forums, for both substrates and now lighting can give us headaches, clicking back and forth to see where our previous replies went, etc., and will cause some members to start skipping over your posts...

"The only ones among you who will be really happy are those who will have sought and found how to serve." --- Albert Schweitzer

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compensate
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Username: compensate

Post Number: 41
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 07:38 am:       

LOL!

I know. My posts started crossing over on one another. I noticed it yesterday afternoon. I'll try to keep the threads consistent.

All the excitement about getting back into the hobby has all sorts of questions/information overloading my brain these days . . .
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compensate
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Username: compensate

Post Number: 42
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 07:40 am:       

That's a pretty cool light! I like the dusk to dawn feature and the moonlight LED.

Sigh! Wish I could afford one of those!
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flyingfish
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Username: flyingfish

Post Number: 242
Registered: 01-2006
Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 08:33 am:       

Whats expensive is the complex co2 system that follows shortly after




Hey if money is an issue I would go with the fixture Brad picked out or some other power compact that holds that bulb.

I would choose this
http://bigalsonline.com/catalog/product.xml?product_id=29603;category_id=1875;pcid1=1843;pcid2=
It does come with the lunar light. But then you have to swap out the bulb$$$$$, as you can see I really like Current USA. After buying their Orbit fixture, im sold on them. Ive gotten compliments on the looks of it already!

I know my life is a bore, my social life lately has literally been surrounding my fishtanks.
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Brad
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Username: brad

Post Number: 1709
Registered: 03-2005


Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 10:13 am:       

I just read in my magasine that webaquatics.com is having a free shipping sale of the Coralife`s. I haven`t been over to see but may be worth checking out.
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compensate
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Username: compensate

Post Number: 53
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 08:26 am:       

I compared the sales prices at webaquatics with bigalsonline and the price for a 96w single power-compact strip light was only 99 cents cheaper at webaquatics. Close to the same price, so I'll likely buy from bigalsonline since i'll be buying my heater and filter there. . .

Thanks for the heads-up!
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compensate
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Username: compensate

Post Number: 54
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 08:30 am:       

I think I am going with this 96-Watt F/W Coralife strip from Big Al's:

http://www.bigalsonline.com/catalog/product.xml?product_id=29551

Funny how it all came full circle back to Brad's first suggestion! Thanks!
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Brad
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Username: brad

Post Number: 1721
Registered: 03-2005


Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 10:21 am:       

Get that c02 ready!
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compensate
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Username: compensate

Post Number: 57
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 02:39 pm:       

CO2 is going to have to come much later, for finncial reasons.

Is CO2 a necessity or are there other things that can be done? Use less plants? Lower lighting wattage with only low-light plants?

I'd really like to avoid CO2, at least for now. Maybe in 6-12 months as I gain money and knowledge . . .

BTW, I haven't ordered the lighting yet, but have ordered the rest of my primary equipment needs from Big Al's.
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flyingfish
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Username: flyingfish

Post Number: 276
Registered: 01-2006
Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 08:24 pm:       

I bought some Seachem Flourish Excel. I found out about the product lurking around on this board. Try it, BigAls has it.
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compensate
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Username: compensate

Post Number: 65
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 08:19 am:       

Thanks for the heads-up on Flourish Excel!

Back to lighting, I am tempted to go with one of those Odyssea light strips, but they all seem to include lighting better suited for saltwater tanks (10000K or 12000K plus actinic bulbs).

Does anyone know where I could find one of these Odyssea strips with 6700K bulb(s)? I can't find anything after doing some internet searching.

Pricing in the $50-60 range would be strongly preferred.
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flyingfish
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Username: flyingfish

Post Number: 282
Registered: 01-2006
Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 11:07 am:       

No Problemo!! I will in turn thank the board!

My co2 regulator came today! With Plants!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7721787949&category=46314
Oh wow they are cheap!, I dont know about straight pin bulbs tho they call mine square pin. They do look the same tho.

Hey listen, If I were you. I would just buy a plain OEM light fixture that typically comes with the tank. It shouldnt cost alot. Because of the budget issue. Save the money and wait to buy at least a two bulb fixture (maybe with moonlighting WEEEEE!!!). Thats just my . If you are going to upgrade....make it a real upgrade. Heck you may even end up OK with a normal fixture.

I have a 36" black light fixture, OEM All-Glass-Aquarium brand that I have left over from the recently purchased 65 gallon. Its practically brand new. If your choose to wait up a bit I can give you a really good deal on it because I am not going to use it. Dont let me talk you into buying my fixture I just want to provide some insight. You make your own decision.
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compensate
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Username: compensate

Post Number: 66
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 12:09 pm:       

I didn't get a OEM hood/light as I have purchased all of my items separately. I am still having to get glass cut to construct my glass top - it has to be in two parts due to the frame architecture.

I have ordered filter, heater, substrate and lighting is the only big issue item left.

I appreciate the link, but that link was another saltwater lighting strip with the daylight/actinic bulbs. What is up with cheap lighting that includes 6700K bulbs for freshwater tanks? Seems to be hard to find.

If I had more funds I'd probably buy one of the lighting strips with the moonlight LED(s) and buy the 6700K bulbs for it.

Oh well, the search continues . . . but I may become impatient and have to go with the coralife single 96w compact with 6700K bulb and spend the $90.

My wife isn't too happy with how much basic plant lighting costs . . . If she only knew just how expensive it could really be . . .

Congrats on the CO2 regulator - something new to keep you busy!
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flyingfish
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Username: flyingfish

Post Number: 287
Registered: 01-2006
Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 02:42 pm:       

OHHH IC I thought you had trouble finding the OEM hood/light. Keep searching, procrastinating = more savings.

Doh
I was soo quick to see the brand, price and bulb style I didnt even look at the bulb type.

TY on the co2, I will be busy this weekend experimenting and rearranging the new plants. I will post an update in my Live Plants thread.
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Randy
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Username: milesteg

Post Number: 184
Registered: 01-2006


Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 06:46 pm:       

Okay - has anyone found a GOOD link that discribes the light types and their best uses?

I an using those 50/50 tubes in my fresh water tanks and seem to be doing fine.
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compensate
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Username: compensate

Post Number: 68
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 07:52 pm:       

That is interesting, Randy. You mean your light strip has a Daylight 10000K/Actinic dual tube? You have decent plants? How long have you been using that light on the tank?

Now I'm curious!
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Randy
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Username: milesteg

Post Number: 185
Registered: 01-2006


Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 08:35 pm:       

Since I set the tank up.

Here is the link to my picture gallery
http://www.badmanstropicalfish.com/species-gallery/gallery_main.html/photo-gallery/thumbnails.php?album=234

Now this tank has only been set up for 3 months and this is the first planted tank I have tried. This is very much a learning experience for me.
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Randy
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Username: milesteg

Post Number: 186
Registered: 01-2006


Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 08:40 pm:       

Oh - I forgot to anser your question.

Over the planted Discus tank are 2 x 130 watt lights units. Each has 2 65 watt compact lights (Daylight 10000K/Actinic). Like I said above I only run one at a time.
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compensate
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Username: compensate

Post Number: 73
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 11:32 pm:       

You can definitely see the effects of the blue actinic part of the 50/50 bulb! Your tank has a kind of a bluish marine look to it, but that does look kinda cool.

If the plants are growing, must not be too bad for them.

Thanks for the pics!
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compensate
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Username: compensate

Post Number: 90
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 07:34 am:       

Well, after seeing Randy's 3-month old tank with the 50/50 bulbs, I bit the bullet and bought the Current USA 96-watt single strip with single LED moonlight. I really wanted the moonlight and the $90 price tag seemed like a good deal over the Coralife 96W unit (without moonlight). I figure the 10000K/actinic dual bulb will at least be OK for 12 months. At that time, I can replace it with a 6700K bulb, if need be . . .

Also, when I saw spectrum charts for the various types of bulbs (12000K, 10000K, 6700K, etc.), the "daylight" (10000K) bulhbs cover the same spectrum as the 6700K, just with some somewhat subtle differences in wavelength peaks and valleys.

I took the leap. Here's hoping for great results, Randy!
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Randy
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Username: milesteg

Post Number: 201
Registered: 01-2006


Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 11:05 am:       

Oh Great, Put it all on my shoulders.

There were a lot of thing I could have done better.
I used plain gravel - should have used a better substrate layer with gravel over.
I used furtilizer tabs next to the plant but went 2 month without putting in more
And I didn't start to use liquid furtilizer untill a few weeks ago

I have corrected some of this put in fresh furt-tabs and started liquid furt in small doses 3 times a week.

Good luck and keep of posted on your progress.
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flyingfish
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Username: flyingfish

Post Number: 323
Registered: 01-2006
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 02:21 pm:       

Current USA!!

I said this in the other post as well. I am soo happy with my Current USA product I am buying their 130x2 48" fixture for my 90 gallon.

I made the decision after watching my Vals slowly die and pricing out moonlighting which was going to cost like $60!!!. The twin flourescent bulb OEM fixture isnt working. I took the plunge and just decided to buy it. I need to find some oak laminate now!! To try and color match this black fixture on my oak trim tank.
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compensate
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Username: compensate

Post Number: 95
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 03:03 pm:       

Haha! Yes, Randy, the future of my planted tank rests squarely on your shoulders . . . not really!

I'll likely put any future updates under the General Discussion area under the topic, "Yay! Getting 38g Tank VERY Soon Now!"

Funny thing is, now it is actually going to be something around 42+ gallons (50g Tall reported).

Woo hoo!!
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