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Crystalview
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Username: crystalview

Post Number: 2
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 03:25 pm:       

I would like to use other materials than cement and styrofoam. I thought to use friendly plastic, Fimo or clay. Are these products safe for the fish? Or can you make suggestions? Thanks
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larry
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Username: gomezaddams

Post Number: 900
Registered: 05-2005


Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 06:35 pm:       

Depends on the plastic youd have to contact the manufacturer,Ive found very helpful reps when I had similar questions.not sure about fimo.I know terra cotta and kiln fired pottery clay are both safe,Ive seen some interesting caves and such made out of both of those.
btw is that your tank? Its awesome!
Waiting will fill
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Crystalview
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Username: crystalview

Post Number: 3
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 09:29 pm:       

I wish that was my tank...
It was made by a guy name rytus from www.petfish.net. I contacted him and this was made for a 200g tank. I like it to and think something similar would look good in my tall tank.
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larry
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Username: gomezaddams

Post Number: 905
Registered: 05-2005


Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 10:11 pm:       

I guess if you had that you wouldnt be asking about a diy project.You could put something like that together from the landscape section of home depot or lowes.
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Lisa Blair
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Username: lkblair

Post Number: 25
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 10:48 pm:       

You could take a look at the pots in the garden center. Maybe some of the bottom saucers would work? The plastic ones maybe could even be siliconed on to the back wall of the tank and then just need a front support?
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Crystalview
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Username: crystalview

Post Number: 4
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 02:26 am:       

I thought of plastic pots and then covering them in cement so they are weighed down. I would have to cut out the back to fit the corner of the tank. The guy who makes those above wants $60 for his new an improved (which I haven't seen yet)plastic version for big tanks.
I just can't believe resin is so costly and most of the stuff is ugly (imo). I wanted a craft project to do for my new tank while it rains and rains and rains....
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Randy
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Username: milesteg

Post Number: 277
Registered: 01-2006


Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 06:25 am:       

WOW! That is one awsome Discus tank!

Just Remember if you use silicone as glue you will have to drain the tank. Until it dries it very toxic.
If you go through a day without learning something new, you wasted it!
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flyingfish
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Username: flyingfish

Post Number: 517
Registered: 01-2006
Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 08:40 am:       

Randy, you took the words right out of my mouth. I am going to the hardware store today and looking at the birdbaths they have!

Crystal,
I am guessing you live in California....I heard its been raining non-stop.
Filter and heater $80
65 gallon aquarium $280
Gazing at your Apistogramma for hours on end.....
PRICELESS!!!
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Randy
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Username: milesteg

Post Number: 278
Registered: 01-2006


Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 08:55 am:       

I just thought of something. Doesn't concrete and cement have lime in it and should not be put in an aquarium. The lime will leach into the water.
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flyingfish
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Username: flyingfish

Post Number: 522
Registered: 01-2006
Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 11:52 am:       

Good call...I will only look at the plastic ones.
Filter and heater $80
65 gallon aquarium $280
Gazing at your Apistogramma for hours on end.....
PRICELESS!!!
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Crystalview
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Username: crystalview

Post Number: 7
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 01:21 pm:       

Hi Yes I am in California but we have SUN today YEAH....
I think I will include the links On how to do the above and other stuff I found. I found it interesting and fun
http://www.petfish.net/forum/index.php/topic,36148.0.html

http://www.thecichlidgallery.com/article_styrobackground.htm

http://cichlid-forum.com/articles/diy_background.php

http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/art_other_netmax_styro.htm

http://www.thekrib.com/TankHardware/janne.html

http://www.sydneycichlid.com/content/?page_id=86
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flyingfish
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Username: flyingfish

Post Number: 526
Registered: 01-2006
Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 01:28 pm:       

Crystal,
Thank you!

I forgot...Welcome to Badmans if your a newcomer!

Filter and heater $80
65 gallon aquarium $280
Gazing at your Apistogramma for hours on end.....
PRICELESS!!!
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larry
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Username: gomezaddams

Post Number: 908
Registered: 05-2005


Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 04:17 pm:       

A lot of people use concrete and styrofoam coated with concrete diy decorations and backgrounds,the key is it needs to "cure" by soaking in water till the ph stabilizes,have to change the water a few times.Ive been considering doing one but Im too impatient to get the big tanks setup.
Waiting will fill
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Randy
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Username: milesteg

Post Number: 287
Registered: 01-2006


Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 04:39 pm:       

I suppose that may be true. I wonder how long you would have to soak it and how many water changes it would take. Remember you could be putting it in with a $1000 worth of fish.

I don't I would be comfortable with that until I had it soaking for a month or more and had the water tested at a lab.
If you go through a day without learning something new, you wasted it!
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larry
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Username: gomezaddams

Post Number: 912
Registered: 05-2005


Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 08:55 pm:       

Id want it to cure for quite a while too thats why Im skipping it for now
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Crystalview
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Username: crystalview

Post Number: 8
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 09:53 pm:       

I am impaient too. That's why I was looking for an other material.

The above post did not work so here is how to make shelf. He had this in his tank for a couple of years and has now made a lighter version. Hasn't said out of what.

How to make concrete decorations:

1. mix very thick concrete: 3 stone to 2 sand to 1 cement. thick, because you dont want it dripping. put paper on flat surface and make the flat parts and walls with it (like the main pot part). dont worry about ornamentation.
for legs, cut pvc pipe (i used 2") and mold it with that same clay like concrete mix, but lying flat so it doesnt drip off... let it all dry till next day. (apply water in evening, morning to make stronger if you want, if you're doing it in hot summer especially)

2. put pot part you made yesterday upside down and concrete covered pipe leggs on top. cement them together with same concrete mix (stone included for strength)

3. make a mix with sand and cement only and more water (no stone). this is weaker concrte but much more flexible to carve out ornamentations. you want this to be dripping, but not too dripping, thicker then milkshake, somewhat like mashed potatoes thickness... 5 sand to 1 cement (add water slowly and mix to get right thickness). throw this on with your hand on the decoration to create natural stone like effect for leggs, and then carve anything you want on other parts, like tree indentations or ornaments... you can also later sand it to make it smoother.

4. let decorations sit in a tub for at least two days. second time i got smart and just put decoration in my oscar tank and oscar needed to be taken out 5 minutes later, luckily i had extra tank and luckily i noticed it was on side... it lost interest in eating for few days, but doing ok now.... but cant get too smart, gota keep decoration in water and then change it.... then it's totaly fine.
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Randy
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Username: milesteg

Post Number: 294
Registered: 01-2006


Posted on Friday, April 07, 2006 - 09:06 am:       

So Crystalview,
You think just a few days soaking is all that is needed. I would have thought it would take longer.

I think I would give it a week or more with daily water changes just to be on the safe side.
If you go through a day without learning something new, you wasted it!
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Crystalview
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Username: crystalview

Post Number: 9
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Friday, April 07, 2006 - 12:00 pm:       

All I know is what I read. I did talk to the guy who made the shelves and there was a lot of chats about his method on PF and the leaching of cement. That is why they chose Quickcrete-Quickwall. He has made several version for others on PF and by the posts other use the same stuff with that short of a soak. I would go by how clear the water was and test it's PH.
I contacted a couple of different manufactures yesterday and am waiting to here back. I wanted to know other products we all could use.
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