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Mandi

Friday, July 06, 2001 - 12:00 pm
Hello everyone! My 55gal tank is in a location that doesn't really get direct sun, but it is in the foyer where light comes through the front door and the window over the door. I live in Texas where it is nice and toasty. I have been keeping the lights off for most of the day but it always looks like my fish are sleeping now.

I know that they like some light but the tank is beginning to grow algae again. I have one pleco and two siamese algae eaters (who are still young enough to be nice).

What else can I do. I want to avoid adding chemicals since everything has been going well up to this point!

Thanks
Mandi

  

Mandi

Friday, July 06, 2001 - 04:05 pm
What a dope I am!!! I didn't even realize that there was a "conversation" right before mine that had the exact same "name." I hope it doesn't cause too much confusion!

Expect more of the same with me! I'm sure 1/2 of my brain cells have turned to mush since having children....who would believe that I have an engineering degree?!?!?!

  

joycedonley

Friday, July 06, 2001 - 10:21 pm
Mandy Jeff and Kick are better algae experts than me, but I guess nobody is around right now?? I have one tank that gets a lot of light in my living room, but the java fern finally competed enough that it won the battle. Also I did increase my water changes to about 7-10 days. I also have a pleco and otto in the tank. I am not sure what tipped the edge against the algae, but I suspect the plants made the biggest difference.

  

Kick

Saturday, July 07, 2001 - 11:00 am
Direct sunlight is the biggest culprit for algae. Is there any way that you can cover with a sheet the section of tank that gets this light from the window over the door. Or how about a curtain for the window that lets light through but does not allow the rays to hit directly on the tank? I assume we are talking about green algae here, as the brown does NOT like the light and you do just the opposite to get rid of it. Also your pleco won't touch this type of algae. Oto cats are the best for the brown.

You mentioned that your fish look like they are sleeping? Does this mean they are sluggish and not as active. Or is it that with the lights off, they continue to think it is night? Direct sunlight will raise the temp of the tank so be sure that it is not too warm. 72 to 76 is a pretty good temp., and with higher temps, you will see less activity and more algae.

  

Mandi

Saturday, July 07, 2001 - 03:21 pm
The tank temp stays around 76 and it doesn't really get direct sunlight - it's more diffused. I do have a "sheer" type treatment over the window so it lets some light in but not the direct sunlight. The fish act like it is night; not really sluggish because when they see me they perk-up and look for food! Not all of them "sleep" when the lights are off, but more than when they are on!

It is definitely green algae and it isn't taking over, but I can see some. I do not have any live plants so I don't have that going for the tank.

Also, are Oto cats the ones that eat snails too? I need one or two of those!

Where's Jeff? I haven't offended anyone somewhere along the way have I??? ...and is curt on vacation? I haven't seen much of him lately.

Thanks guys! (Y'all)
Mandi

  

jeff

Saturday, July 07, 2001 - 05:33 pm
hi mandi...algea huh?..and it's green?..how about a bit more info on it so we can help...and don't worry about your brain cells..I just got back home and mine are on impulse power still..

  

joycedonley

Saturday, July 07, 2001 - 07:21 pm
Mandi as you can see Jeff is here, but I don't know what happened to Curt??? Last I knew he was doing exams and then just didn't come back. Maybe he is taking the summer off.

  

jeff

Saturday, July 07, 2001 - 11:36 pm
actually I think curt said after exams he was heading to hawaii for a vacation..ah the summer..

  

Kick

Sunday, July 08, 2001 - 10:17 am
If you can keep oto cats living, they are absolutely great for eating most types of algae. There are only a couple of kinds that they won't eat. AND they seem to get along well with bettas (so far)!!. I will tell of my experience. A 10 gallon, divided betta tank I have consistently is plagued with green algae. It's favorite place to grow is on the dividers, making the tank look horrible. I have fought it since about two weeks after setting this tank up, but just cleaned regularly as I was "afraid" to try to keep anything in with my bettas. About 3 weeks ago, I decided I had an enough and bought 3 oto cats for this tank. WOW! They started munching right away. You can see all these "white" squiggles running through the algae where they are eating to their heart's content. Talk about algae eating machines. Depending on what you have in this tank, these might be an option for you. For a 55, you will need several. You might have room for a pleco, however, they get too large sometimes to eat algae off the leaves and some decorations. One thing: the otos are not very big, remain small and you want to make sure there is nothing in your tank that will enjoy them for lunch. Good luck. BTW, Jeff, glad to see you back "again"!

  

jeff

Sunday, July 08, 2001 - 11:12 am
thanks kick.. and I agree on the otto's.. it does seem to be a bit of a problem finding these guys though..maybe we should start breeding and selling them..ha..ha

  

Mandi

Sunday, July 08, 2001 - 02:06 pm
I do have one pleco in the tank but he is very small. The only fish that I have that are semi-aggressive are the tiger barbs. I have 3 regular tigers, 3 albinos and 2 green tigers. They are usually the most interested in other fish mainly when a new fish is added. They nearly killed a male guppy I put in there once. That was when I only had the 3 regular tigers. Maybe they will be less aggressive to others now that their "school" is bigger.

I will check with my LFS to see if they have any. It is a pretty small place, but there is another larger place not too far away (besides Petsmart, Petco, etc...)

I might also check into that tank divider. I have thought that it would be nice to have one in my 10gal tank so that I could add more molly babies (if they don't all get eaten again the next time).

Welcome back Jeff!

Oh yea, do the otos eat snails?

  

jeff

Sunday, July 08, 2001 - 05:45 pm
thanks mandi..you are right do not put guppies in with those barbs..I would have at least 6 to keep them chasing each other and not the other fish..and your otto cat is an algea eater, never heard of it eating snails..

  

joycedonley

Sunday, July 08, 2001 - 09:12 pm
Mandi the only place I could find my otto was at Petsmart. The one here seems to keep their tanks clean. Other people on the net sometimes have problems with them. We only really have large chains around except the one mom and pop with really strange hours that mostly sell ferrets now....anyways unless I switch to saltwater I have to deal with the 'chain' petshops. You may be only able to find the otto at a large chain.

  

Mandi

Monday, July 09, 2001 - 09:10 am
There is a Petco close to me so I might try that if I can't find them anywhere else. I was trying to find information on Ottos but don't see anything listed under that name. What type of fish are they and what is their actual name?

I have had reasonable luck with Petco. There is one guy there who reaaly seems to know what he's talking about. He DOES push buying stuff in order to fix problems but he has sound advice most of the time.

Is there anything I should know about an Otto before I get one? I guess they are good in a community tank, don't get too big, like normal water conditions...

Thanks!

  

Kick

Monday, July 09, 2001 - 10:02 am
What you need to look for is otocinclus affinis or dwarf sucker catfish. They only grow to about 2 inches. They are a great community fish. As they eat the algae, you can see their little tummies round out. Very neat and I think you enjoy!

  

joycedonley

Monday, July 09, 2001 - 05:25 pm
Mandi I was really suprised how small they were. I was a little afraid my angelfish would eat mine, but they were only interested in the plastic bag it came in. Anyways they are really cute little guys and I may get some more this fall. They seem to like perching on the leaves of my java fern when they aren't sucking on the glass. They also cost a lot less than my pleco.

  

Claude

Monday, July 09, 2001 - 08:47 pm
YIPPIE I CAN FINALLY POST!!!!

Mandi..

Im in the same boat as you. I do bi-weekly water changes, little or NO Phospates, less than 7 ppm of NITRATE (usually less than 5 ppm)

I have about 60% of my tank planted. I have two dwarf plecos, two siamese algae eaters and 3 (used to be 4 but my Black skirt teras ate one...caught him with the Otts head in his MOUTH). I only feed once ever 2 days, and only enough food that they can eat with VERY little going to the bottom.

I (my tank at home) and my wifes tank at work ARE PLAUGED with algae.... I thought it was STAGHORM alae...looks Long and BRANCH like.. and green.

Otherwords I need help too. Are there any chemicals (as I have tried the bleach method)\ that will work and have minimum plant deaths?

Claude

  

jeff

Tuesday, July 10, 2001 - 02:14 am
claude ..it's jeff..god ..why didn't you say you still have this problem...look if it's down to the last resort thing..I will tell you how to get rid of the red algea ..firstly as I have said Co2 will help...if you are finally using it I do not know...so you have done the bleach,you have done the cutting, you have done the algea eaters and have good iron, and you have done your best with nutrient control?..so...now you have chosen the last resort.. I will recommend is copper as the last resort...it will kill the red algea..maybe some plants too but you have nothing to lose here..you do not have to break down the tank..but you do have to remove the fish...use a copper sulphate solution maintained at .5ppm for 7-10 days..you can use copper compounds or med solutions to do this..a copper test kit would be good...so it's your choice but I have been there and this works.. or break down the tank and start again..which really sucks if it's over 15 gals...so I know you probably hate me for this but as I said, last resort measures are up to you...sorry bud....jeff

  

Mandi

Tuesday, July 10, 2001 - 08:25 am
I feel better now. All I have is just a little algae beginning to grow in a couple of spots on the glass. The stuff on the plants is tolerable. I hope to never be in Claude's shoes!

  

Claude

Tuesday, July 10, 2001 - 04:49 pm
Jeff,

Thanks again as always..... what do you use for the copper solution (medication..ect).

I think I am at the drastic stage....as I have tried everything. Plants are growing like MAD with CO2 addition...but the algae seems to be flourishing as well. Though I dont know what my IRON measurement is. Need to check that.

I have a spare 10 gallon that will do as a Temporary home. Ill just have to areate the hell out of it as I have WAYYY to many fish for a 10 gallon. Then after mine I will have to do the wifes.

Jeff Any ideas where to get the copper soulution and test kits????? Oh and after the 15 days....do I just do a 50% (or more?) water change, then put fish back in?

Mandi....you better hope you dont get this stuff. My algae eaters are doing a GREAT job keeping the brown and green algae down. I just have traces of it. But this Tree Branch like algae (jeff says its a RED algae) is terrible. I trimmed all my plants down to try and get rid of it. Didnt see a trace of any for 2 weeks then BOOM...its everywhere again!

Claude

  

Mandi

Tuesday, July 10, 2001 - 04:55 pm
It must be plant-related or something. I have all artificial plants and don't see anything that sounds like that.

What causes that kind of algae?

  

lboy

Tuesday, July 10, 2001 - 08:48 pm
Claude, the algae blooms in your tank are probably caused by a nutrient imbalance. Did you know that limiting fertilization can actually encourage algae growth? You're just gonna have to somehow strike the balance that will prevent the growth of any algae in your tank. I can't really tell you how to acheive that balance, I usually just achieve it by luck ;)

I will have problems with algae for a while then suddenly, out of the blue, I'll do something that will cause it all to stop and I won't see as much as a hair of algae for a very, very long time. I usually do simple things like a water change or trying to be more regular with my biweekly addition of fertilizer and I have found that those two things are sufficient to limit algae growth in my tanks.

Nutrient deficiencies can encourage algae growth because if plants are deprived certain nutrients, they won't utilize others, a fact that many algaes exploit.

After my tanks hit this state of algae free "equilibrium," it usually takes a while before the algae actually disappears, because it has to die back and get eaten/cleaned off/filtered away first.

  

jeff

Tuesday, July 10, 2001 - 11:44 pm
Iboy..I totally agree with what you are saying..algea control is nutrient control,howerver as you know achieving this can take a long time..I believe we have covered most of it with claude and unfortunatly once red algea begins taking over the balance we try to achieve can be almost impossible to attain..most like likely he got it from some of the plants he introduced at one time..the usual overfeeding,high phosphates,high nitrates,not enough nutrients to achieve adequate uptake,or to much nutrients have been adressed,sometimes high light levels and too much iron can be a contributing factor..I like to see iron levels at .5-1ppm..higher levels can be contribute to the red algea..that's why I never add it directly to the water column..and I further believe the more plants you have the better...he is using co2 and algea eaters to no avail...his nitrate levels are good and should keep down the return of the cyanobacteria crap...substrate and lighting is good..now what's left?..well lots you say..I thinks it has been covered in the past and I was tryin real hard for him to get that balance...sure he can keep trying to achieve "the nutrient balance"...but the poor guy might watch his whole tank get taken over by red algea...so again as a total last resort, other than breakin down the tank..I felt copper is the route to try...but again this is only my opinion.. not to be taken as rock solid fact..just pure experience and research...now claude if you chose this route you can use copper meds like Kordons copper..or 'had a snail product' is copper sulphate at 1.63% dilution..get a copper test kit!..you will need it..follow direction to get you at 0.5ppm for 7- 10 days...do a large water change before starting...keep testing daily to keep the levels up...return the fish only after you have no detectable levels...good luck if you decide on it...

  

lboy

Wednesday, July 11, 2001 - 03:42 am
Hmm...

Last time I heard, even small amounts of copper are toxic to plants, not just to algae. I guess if you do it right it can work; Jeff has outlined his instructions really well :-D

As for my experiences, I have usually let tanks with algae outbreaks just reach the balance on their own. That's why I don't know what conditions my "balanced" tank are under, because I usually stop caring about all these damn nutrients to test for ;)

My most recent algae outbreak started in March, when I increased my ten gallon's lighting to 4.8 watts per gallon (power compacts are amazing!). I first got a horrible outbreak of green hair (red?) algae. I bought sixteen algae eating shrimp, which dindt' touch the algae at first. However, two weeks after I added the shrimp, they began to eat the algae and cleaned the tank out in three days.

Then, a month later, after being home for a week during spring break, I came back to find my tank covered with a slime algae (blue green?). It was horrible. When it was scraped off the glass, the pieces floated of, landed somewhere else, and formed another carpet. The slime even grew over plants and strangled them! It was on the glass, there were filaments of it floating in the water (yes,floating!), and it was everywhere and it grew so fast that even though I would vacuum some of it off, it would grow back a few hours later. You know what I did? I stopped caring and just let the tank go. I stopped fertilizing, I stopped cleaning, and I stopped paying attention to it. Lo and behold, one day I looked at the algae (3 weeks after I stopped doign anything to the tank) and it was dying back. The snails were even eating it (trails through the carpet were visible). It hasn't come back since and I really don't know what caused it to die. My plants weren't in great shape due to the lack of fertilization but at least they could start growing again.

So anyways, I dont know if what I just told you will help, it's just an interesting experience to me that's all ;)

  

jeff

Wednesday, July 11, 2001 - 04:29 am
well that's interesting Iboy..god I wish I had your luck plus access to shrimp and ramshorn snails to help..I never did and god I tried it all..even ignored it like you said and low and behold it GOT WORSE!!...aha ahah I went mental..broke down tanks..tried again and it came back..just like the darn cat!..slow but back..so I figured drastic measures or die tryin..erythromicn for cyanobacteria and copper for red algea...only as last resorts..and you are right copper can damage plants but not all of them....vals are bad...and fish..well that's why we take em out to treat...god ya know nutrient balance can get so techy with so many variables it can drive one mental...now after many years, with a little luck, patience,thinking and understanding of what going on in my tank I have finally accomplished it as you said..

  

Mandi

Wednesday, July 11, 2001 - 09:51 am
Whew! I sure hope I never get that type of algae. I definitely don't think I'm patient enough to deal with it like you did! Like I said earlier; hopefully it is related to live plants and, since I don't have any, I won't get any of that stuff!!!

What experts!!!

  

jsopel (Jeff)

Thursday, July 12, 2001 - 05:19 am
oh mandi..pray for the land of cyanobacteria never to visit your tank..cause it doesn't need plants...chuckle,chuckle..jeff

  

Mandi

Thursday, July 12, 2001 - 09:10 am
...now I will have nightmares...

  

claude

Friday, July 13, 2001 - 08:02 am
Jeff,

I think you hit the nail on the head. I noticed the last time I went to the place where I buy my plants at that they had a small bit of both cyano bacteria and this "branch" red algae too! What I SHOULD have done is a bleach rinse on all my plants BEFORE I planet them in my tank....oh well....live and learn. I think that the copper treatment will be my only alternative being as both my tanks are INFESTED with this algae. Good news is since I treated my tanks with eurthromaycin I havent noticed aBIT of cyanobacteria. Hopefully the copper tratment will do the same and kill all this stuff. Oh and now it looks as if this algae is a Beard algae. Hell I dont know....maybe Ill go home and take some pictures and post them so you all can see.

So where is a good place to buy the copper test kit and copper solution?? any reccomendations? Oh and will my fish be OK for 10 days or so in a 10 gallon?? I am not near the bio load for my 75 gallon....but a 10 gallon will be WAYYY overloaded

  

Claude

Friday, July 13, 2001 - 08:09 am
Oh...one more thing, has anyone tried this SERA ALGOPUR????? AZ gardens sells this, and I have heard that it is safe on plants (minor deaths of some species) and fish. But will kill all algae, even beard algae but may take several weeks to show results.

thanks
Claude

  

jeff

Friday, July 13, 2001 - 12:40 pm
will hello again claude..firstly..that algecide you mentioned from az-gardens is a COPPER based algeacide..a little more diluted but does the same thing I am telling you to do...only it takes a little longer to work..you can go that way if you want..same thing really...but you also need to do 20-40% weekly water changes with your treatment( if you keep fish in)..I still would not have the fish in the tank...an go my way but whatever you prefer..also be sure you have no phosphates in your water system!..or be sure you are removing them(phosphates) with treatment..and keep light down to 9 hrs per day...as far as your fish in that little tank..yep you are right..too many...test levels do as many water changes as needed...be sure you 02 levels are high and you can add some Amquel for the ammonia...oh I have already talked about your copper in my last posts so you can re-read it...be sure you are always running your tests to aviod problems..that should cover it for you..good luck my friend....jeff

  

Claude

Friday, July 13, 2001 - 02:21 pm
Jeff,

So what is a good way to remove Phosphates?? I have the emporer box filters that have those nifty media containers.... is there a granule like media out there (like carbon) that I can use?

  

lboy

Saturday, July 14, 2001 - 05:33 am
Yes, there is a media that you can use that removes phosphates. I think it's called Green-X. It takes out phosphates and I've heard is great at helping control algae. I think the famous Conlin-Sears paper mentions limiting phosphates as a means of algae control... but that's another story.

  

lboy

Saturday, July 14, 2001 - 05:41 am
Yes, there is a media that you can use that removes phosphates. I think it's called Green-X. It takes out phosphates and I've heard is great at helping control algae. A friend of mine recently told me that he was able to eliminate a green water problem in only two days with the aid of Green-X.

I think the famous Conlin-Sears (or is it Sears-Conlin?) paper mentions limiting phosphates as a means of algae control... but that's another story.

  

Claude

Monday, July 16, 2001 - 07:41 am
Iboy and Jeff,

I went to Petsmart (of all places) and got GOOD ADVICE (on top of the good advice here of course)!!!! Can you believe it?

first the HELPFUL (again can you believe it) lady there told me that the ROSY barb is good at hair, beard and staghorn algae removal without damaging plants. To prove it (as I was a skeptic)She then took several plants from thier stock they just recieved that had algae on them and put them in a tank full of Rosy barbs. THE FISH WENT NUTS and tore into the algae. She said she does this all the time to clean them up.

So at this point I will try anything and bought 4 for my aquarium and 2 for the wifes. And in 3 days I would say 50% of my hair/staghorn algae (and there was allot of it) is GONE!!!! With NO CHEMICALS. I also bought 2 packs of GREEN X (thanks Iboy) so as to remove any phosphates. I hope this does it.

Leassons learned:
1) Get ottos or SAEs for green and brown algae
2) Get Rosy Barbs (actually I have the long finned kind and they are BEAUTIFUL) to remove hair/staghorn algae. They love this stuff.
3) CONTROL phospahtes.

and of course other leassons. Thanks Jeff, Iboy and others...I know I have been a "Algae problem" and hope this is it!

Claude

  

jeff

Monday, July 16, 2001 - 10:32 am
hi..claude..wow..never heard of rosey's doing that..all they ever did was eat my plants!...now cherry barbs eat algea..but heck if you got it working great..as far as your phosphates..did you ever check your levels I can't remember?..try to keep them < 1.0mg/l...you can pre-treat your tap water too if you like...products like green X, phosguard,phos-Zorb,phosvec all do about the same thing..also if you really wanted to you can add substrate heating coils to generate macro-nutrients..the phosphates are brought down into gravel binding to the iron in your laterite or flourite thus removing it from the water column..

  

Claude

Monday, July 16, 2001 - 10:39 am
Ughh,

that would mean tearing apart the tank to install heating coils. I may look into that if I do a tear down in the future. Wish I would have laerned more about live plant tanks so I could have done everything right the first time. but then again..I would have missed out on all this funHeck, after Im through with all this I may be considered an algae "expert" like you and Iboy and others

I never got my Phospahtes checked.... but I did call my local water plant and they said they will be sending me a report on my water.

I see AZ gardens sells a phosphate test kit for $15..... do these work. My LFS says that phospates require expensive test. But as you know I DO NOT trust my LFS....

And so far the rosy's are not eating the plants. But they are a bit rough on them while tearing the algae off them.

  

jsopel (Jeff)

Monday, July 16, 2001 - 10:50 am
yep..claude your are right..it's just info tha's all..yeh like you need more huh!...and a good phosphate kit is the Lamotte Kit PAL code 3121...check that tap water you may be surprised..and be sure you are using low phophate fish food too..

  

Claude

Monday, July 16, 2001 - 12:57 pm
WHEW.... $56 for the Lamotte Phos test kit! I guess my LFS wasnt lying on this count. It is expensive...but I guess thats the price for assured accuracy! I could take a water sample to my LFS and they will test it for $3... maybe take a sample of my tap water, and a sample of aquarium water (using the GreenX to remove phospahtes).

The kit AZ gradens has is from Seachem...and its like $20 for 10 tests....so I guess the Lamotte is cheaper per test as it has 50 tests.

  

jeff

Tuesday, July 17, 2001 - 11:29 am
oh sorry claude..I just thought you would want a good tester..some kits just do not cut it in this area...jeff

  

Claude

Tuesday, July 17, 2001 - 12:04 pm
I guess either way a good phospahte kit will cost some $$. I may just go with the Lamotte as $ per test is CHEAPER than the Seachem. And If you say its a good one....I BELIEVE you!

Should I also get an iron, O2, CO2, and copper test kits (as I can afford them....)and would you reccomend any others?

The test kits I have now are Ph, No2, No3, Nh3 and4, KH, GH.

Claude

  

jeff

Tuesday, July 17, 2001 - 01:14 pm
claude..one of the things I have learned over the years is careful observation can tell you more than anything what is going on in your tank..a journal is the best thing I ever did..I test very little..test kits a great to finalize and rule out stuff but if you keep a whole bunch of tests they can just get stale and unreliable...however, hell if you got the cashola..then iron,potassium, are handy..forget 02 and C02..just chart it..(copper for..well you know)again I would go with lamotte...again, sometimes it's just better to hunker down and slowly balance that tank...always the best of luck...jeff

  

Claude

Tuesday, July 17, 2001 - 03:08 pm
Agreed Jeff. My dad has a saying "You Pay for what You get". And I really dont have the cashola....I would rather take that cash and buy a better CO2 system

I guess what I could do is if I need any of the off tests done...Ill just go to my Lfs...

Claude

  

cq

Tuesday, July 03, 2001 - 12:22 pm
Noticed something weird in my tank today as I was feeding. I noticed one of my fish going after what looked like a really tiny piece of flake. I was amazed to find that the "flake" avoided the fish and darted away. THis happened a couple more times until it dove down into the substrate. Upon closer inspection, it looked like a really tiny white speck in sort of a triangular shape. Does anyone have a clue as to what this might be?

  

peter

Tuesday, July 03, 2001 - 05:16 pm
have you ever watched or read "Horton Hears a Who"?

If you turn off your filter and stay quiet for a while, you may be able to hear them faintly chanting, " We're here! We're here! We're here!"

  

jeff

Wednesday, July 04, 2001 - 12:01 am
cq..flat with kinda arrowhead shape head?..could be planaria...feeding on waste in substrate..

  

cq

Wednesday, July 04, 2001 - 09:35 am
Thanks Jeff. Are they dangerous to fish? Should I be doing anything to get rid of these things? I noticed more today

  

Kick

Wednesday, July 04, 2001 - 09:44 am
Testing to see if I can post here. I can't seem to post on any of the other topics but this went the first time so will try to help here.

If you have live plants, they may have entered the tank in this way. They will not hurt anything as long as their numbers are kept in check. Siphoning the gravel surface, "underfeeding" the fish or getting a gourami to eat them will help reduce them. I don't know of a product right now that will kill them, but maybe Jeff will have an idea.

Overfeeding and poor maintenance of a tank are the reasons these critters develop and mulitply.

  

jeff

Wednesday, July 04, 2001 - 11:21 am
cq..you didn't confirm that's what I described..if it is planaria(most likely)..as kick said usually overfeeding is the problem..simply stop feedin for a few days of try the blue or 3 spot gourami as kick suggested..

  

cq

Wednesday, July 04, 2001 - 02:28 pm
I really don't know Jeff. How big do planaria get? These things look like little triangular shaped specks. I did a little research on planaria on the net and the pictures I saw don't really correspond to what's in my tank. They literally are little tiny specks. I will keep a close watch and let you know if I see anything new. At any rate, thanks for all your help

  

jeff

Wednesday, July 04, 2001 - 03:56 pm
cq..no prob..I just wanted to be sure is all..planaria can get to about 1/2" long..if you can just suck some out of your substrate and look at them through a magnifying glass if you can..then we will know for sure

  

Kick

Thursday, July 05, 2001 - 10:01 am
It may not be planaria or maybe they are in the juvenile form right now and eyeballing them can't tell you exactly what they are yet. As Jeff mentioned, if you can catch one, look under mag glass and describe further, you many have some kind of "bug" instead. At any rate, if it "avoided" the fish, maybe the fish you have in the tank will eventually eat them. But I would hold back on the feeding some to diminish their food supply. If you think planaria is not what you have, email me and I can send you some pictures and maybe you can decide from there what is swimming around "unwanted" in your tank.

  

Anonymous

Friday, July 06, 2001 - 01:26 pm
It sounds like it could be a sea monkey (juvenile ghost shrimp). Do you keep any shrimp? They make good food if that's what it is.

  

cq

Friday, July 06, 2001 - 01:50 pm
Don't keep any shrimp. I have been keeping my eyes peeled for these things the last couple of days and have seen nothing. Maybe my platies are eating whatever they are (God knows they eat everything else that gets in their way). BTW, I now have a tank full of platies: 3 originals, 3 juveniles that survived from the last batch of fry, and around 10-15 new fry and one of my females is pregnant again! Very overwhelming. Should have done more research on livebearers before I bought them. I either need to find a fish that thinks little platies make a great afternoon snack or find someone to take all these fish off my hands when they grow up!!

  

cq

Friday, July 06, 2001 - 01:50 pm
On the bright side, looks like all the posting problems are fixed. No problems today or yesterday

  

joycedonley

Friday, July 06, 2001 - 10:49 pm
Cq sometimes the parents will eat the fry. Are you saving them all or are your platy just being 'nice' parents? I know if you had swordtails in there they would chow them down. Platy are less likely to eat fry than most of the other livebearers.

 

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