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marie6749

Monday, July 16, 2001 - 07:19 pm
Hi again all !
I have a problem in my platy tank. The 20 gallon newly cycled tank has been up for about 2 months. Ammonia 0, Nitrite 0, Nitrate less then 5 ppm, Ph 7.2. I have 3 adult Platys, 2 baby platys and 2 ottos in this tank. Everyone seems happy except one adult female platy (Both of my girlies, of course, are pregnant, as usual). I have read through the disease section of the site, but cannot tell exactly what is wrong with her. So here goes- She has clamped fins, loss of appetite, scratching, she seems really jumpy. There is a place just before her dorsal fin that looks as though someone has scratched up her scales. Her skin seems to be whiter there. Badman's description of velvet comes the closest to describing it. The only help I can be is that I'm pretty sure it's not ick. I have a QT tank ready to go. Anybody know what this could be??? Thanks again !

  

joycedonley

Monday, July 16, 2001 - 10:16 pm
Marie I don't think it is velvet, but it does sound like a bacterial infection. If she got injured or cut in your tank that could cause the infection.It may have been a scrape from the filter or a rock if you have them. You could try treating her with Kanacyin which is a pretty good general antibiotic. I have used Kanacyin a lot in past years and it always helped.

  

marie6749

Monday, July 16, 2001 - 10:58 pm
Thanks Joyce- I will go get the Kanacyin tomorrow (along with a few other things hee hee) Should I treat the entire tank or put her in the QT tank by herself?

  

joycedonley

Tuesday, July 17, 2001 - 07:18 am
If you think it is from a cut or scrape and your other fish are not affected I would just treat the one platy. I don't like to use meds on baby fish and if you have two in your tank you would probably be safer using the QT.

  

Kick

Tuesday, July 17, 2001 - 10:15 am
This (scratching)could also be from internal parasites that cannot be seen by the naked eye. Jungle makes a food for internal parasites and I think it might be a good idea to get some of this in addition to using the Kanamycin. The white area you are seeing could be a fungus that has started to grow from and around the wound, and the Kana should help this also. Keep in touch.

 

  

cq

Tuesday, July 17, 2001 - 01:56 pm
Saw your post Marie and my female platies are exhibiting similar behaviour (but without the white spots). For the last two days, I could not find them. I was actually concerned they somehow jumped out of the tank. Finally, I found one wedged between two leaves of a plant. This morning both came out for food and I inspected closely and saw no apparent signs of anything wrong. Their appetites are not what they usually are but both are very fat and close to giving birth. My theory is that they are very stressed as they are continually pregnant. I am considering getting rid of the male to give them some relief which I won't like to do since he is really boisterous and enjoys playing with my cories and my keyhole cichlids.

  

marie6749

Tuesday, July 17, 2001 - 02:35 pm
Thanks, I really appreciate the advice. I will get the Jungle food also and put her in the QT tank. I have noticed that my other female has stringy feces today. I might feed her some of the food you are talking about also Kick.
CQ- if your gals are rubbing against stuff (like they are scratching)or clamping their fins I would worry, but if not they are probably ok. When mine are about to give birth, they usually hide alot. If you have a clean QT tank, maybe you could put the male platy in there for awhile to give the girls a break. I would hate to see you get rid of him since you like him so much.

  

cq

Tuesday, July 17, 2001 - 02:46 pm
How long have your fish had stringy feces? Mine have had this since I took them home from the LFS so I assumed it was normal for this type of fish. Am I wrong? Wondering now if its some sort of internal problem but I have never heard of this being a symptom of anything. I used them to cycle my tank and i am hoping that this did not harm them although my levels never got to be dangerous.

  

marie6749

Tuesday, July 17, 2001 - 03:14 pm
Usually mine is not really long and stringy, but today it looks strange. It is kind of transparent and about 1/2 inch long. Always before it had some color to it. On Badman's main site, under medication, there is internal parasites listed. One of the symptoms is stringy feces. Sorry I can't be of more help.

  

marie6749

Tuesday, July 17, 2001 - 03:18 pm
Sorry I didn't think of this a minute ago. If I feed the Jungle food to all the platys and they don't have parasites, will it harm them?

  

Kick

Tuesday, July 17, 2001 - 03:26 pm
No marie, the food will be fine and, in fact, keep any internal parasites away. Good to feed once a week just for a precaution.

  

marie6749

Tuesday, July 17, 2001 - 04:20 pm
Thanks, I checked around on the 'net and the name of the food is Pepso food. I found it at pet warehouse. I hope the LPS has it and also the Kanacyn. I will keep you all posted.

  

jeff

Tuesday, July 17, 2001 - 05:46 pm
do not want to get in to deep here but thought I might add that you just may have two things going on here..bacterial and possibly parasites with the white string feces and I would keep an eye on that scrape..you do not want to see white fuzzy stuff there..treat as kick suggested with the kanamycin..go 5 days treatment and instead of that pepso food I would give tetra medicated flakes for parasites..infact buy both kinds the anti-bacterial flakes are real handy to have around..

  

marie6749

Wednesday, July 18, 2001 - 12:03 am
Thanks Jeff, I found the pepso and also the kanacyn, but I can't seem to find the tetra med. flakes for parasites. Do you know of antwhere on the net I could find them?

  

Kick

Wednesday, July 18, 2001 - 01:33 am
The Pepso food is what I was thinking of....could not remember the name....but if Jeff thinks the tetra medicated flakes would be better, then try to go with that. It is real late, but I will check my catalogs to see if I can find somewhere that would have it for you. See you in the morning!

  

Kick

Wednesday, July 18, 2001 - 12:28 pm
Checked all my catalogs and can't seem to find the tetra medicated flakes either. Jeff, help us out here. Where can we find them?

  

jeff

Wednesday, July 18, 2001 - 01:07 pm
oh..ok..now I know who was looking for this stuff..tetra medicated flakes are available at most LPS's...sometimes they will have to orded them in..try hard to get them. they are really good and the fish love them..medi-gold is another available through the goldfish connection...check big Al's site too.

  

joycedonley

Wednesday, July 18, 2001 - 01:49 pm
Jeff I have never been able to find those around here(Michigan). I guess your LPS stores have more variety.Lucky!! I haven't checked at Petsmart the only really big name one, so maybe they have it???? If you find an on line site let us know.Thanks.

  

jeff

Wednesday, July 18, 2001 - 11:53 pm
I guess I am lucky to get the medicated food..so here is 2 places on line you can get it..
and the same no-name brand at aquatic waharehouse,.

  

cq

Thursday, July 19, 2001 - 07:38 pm
Here's a question for you. How do you get your fish to eat your medicated food if they are no longer eating? I am very concerned about my platies now. They are now very shy and spend the day hidden under a plant not moving. One of them had clamped fins when I examined her this morning. No sign of Ick as they do not have white spots. They haven't eaten in two days and I am worried.

  

jeff

Thursday, July 19, 2001 - 10:38 pm
ok..cq..what is happing here?..not eating?..clamped fins?..sratching?..what else?...don't worry about 2 days without food ..get some water tests done..and have you started any in water meds at all?..kanamycin perhaps?..I am not sure where you are with it all so..unless kick is more familiar with what you have been talking about. we can all try to help...

  

cq

Friday, July 20, 2001 - 05:47 pm
Have not started any medication. All of my other fish (3 ottos, 4 cories, 2 keyhole cichlids) look happy and healthy. It is just my platies.

I have been seeing the symptoms you described above. Lately though, both females are hidden all day. They literally do not move at all.

What does Kanamycin do? Will it hurt the other fish? I will take my water in to get tested as you suggest but what could be there that would hurt the fish? I don't see any ammonia/nitrite and I do weekly water changes.

  

joycedonley

Saturday, July 21, 2001 - 08:32 am
Kanamycin is a general antibiotic. I have used it many times when my fish have had whitish looking fins or spots. It will treat a variety of hard to identify fungal infections and such.It will not treat any internal parasites. I have never had it hurt any of my other fish. I always keep it on hand.If you are going to treat your tank remember to remove any Carbon as it will suck the meds out.It is used over a five day period. With treatments on the first, third and fifth day.

  

joycedonley

Saturday, July 21, 2001 - 08:36 am
Cq when I put meds in my tank I usually add and airstone and pump. Some meds deplete a little oxygen so the airstone will help keep the levels up.The airstones and pumps are pretty inexpensive. If you don't want to bother do a water change a day or two after you are done treating(it should say that on the Kan instructions)

  

marie6749

Saturday, July 21, 2001 - 06:05 pm
Here's a small update on my platies. I put the one with the white spot in the QT tank. I had to order the Kanamycin on the internet because neither pet store in my area had it, so sadly I am still waiting to treat her. She seems alot happier in there though and the white spot is not as noticeable. My male platy is a holy terror on the two gals. Maybe I will get a few more females later on. I emailed "ThatPetPlace" about the med. Tetra flakes and they said that Tetra has discontinued them. I appreciate all your help.

  

joycedonley

Saturday, July 21, 2001 - 07:30 pm
Marie if you think your platy is getting worse Badman does suggest using Maracyin for fungus infections. If you go to the main board and look under Medications you can find some alternates to the Kanamycin. That one is just my choice since it works on more than one fungal infectiona and I have had my fish tolerate it well on a number of occassions over the years. The main board also lists some meds for parasite control. I have never had fish in 5 years with parasites except the ICH outbreak I had. I think fungal and bacteria infections seem to be more common. Anyways if you are sure you have parasites Jeff or Kick can probably better advise on that area. I would definately increase your ratios of females to the male.I had a swordtail once that drove his gals crazy! Good luck keep us posted maybe she just needed a break.

  

marie6749

Saturday, July 21, 2001 - 08:42 pm
I just checked on my order and it should be here Monday. Since I put her in the QT tank, she has stopped clamping her fins and stopped scratching. She seems to be acting fine now (except for the white spot) So I think I am just going to wait for the Kanamycin Monday. Thanks for the alternatives.

  

Rose

Sunday, July 22, 2001 - 06:16 pm
Tetra is no longer makeing medicated flakes for anything. It wasn't selling well enough to keep the line going. Just thought you might like to know. Rose

  

marie6749

Monday, July 23, 2001 - 08:19 pm
My platy is conspiring against me! As you all know, I had moved her to the QT tank while I was waiting on the medicine to get here. I came home today with the meds in hand excited that I was finally going to get to treat her. Hmmmm... she's looking mighty thin today. Yep, while I was at work she had a zillion babes in the QT tank!!! Luckily I had another empty tank, set it up, going to put her in there to treat her. If I get any more tanks, I'll be moving the couch outside

  

joycedonley

Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 07:37 am
Congrats. That may have been why she was acting strange.Hopefully you can get rid of the white spot and breed her again. How many babies do you have or too many to count?

  

Kick

Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 08:42 am
Whoa marie, what a surprise! Instant motherhood. Congratulations and good luck with the fry.

  

marie6749

Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 02:17 pm
I don't know how many babies I have yet. There is gravel and a few plants in this tank and they are REALLY good at hiding :) I put her in the other tank and started the meds last night.

  

marie6749

Friday, August 03, 2001 - 05:16 pm
Hello again everyone! Well, I decided to treat all the platies with the kanacyn since they were clamping their fins and scratching. I also fed them the Pepso food. I had to take the carbon out of my filter and now my tank is cycling again ARGGHHH! I had put a piece of sponge in my power filter to prevent this from happening, maybe there wasn't enough beneficial bacteria in it yet. Anyway, I am concerned about one platy, she is not eating and she looks thin. I don't know if she's lost her appetite from the meds or from the tank cycling again. Any ideas on what I might get her to eat? Thank you all for your help!

  

joycedonley

Friday, August 03, 2001 - 08:03 pm
Marie you can't force them to eat and if your tank is recycling she maybe just can't stand the stress. About all I can suggest is a small water change and hope for the best. Kanamycin never caused my fish to lose appetities. Do some water tests for ammonia and nitrites FIRST to see where your parameters are. That should also let you know if the tank is cycling.

  

marie6749

Saturday, August 04, 2001 - 10:04 am
Thanks Joyce. Here are my readings. Ammonia=0, Nitrite=0.5, Nitrate=5.0, PH=7.2. I also have Aquarium salt in this tank at one tablespoon per 5 gallon. Are these readings cause for alarm? When I change the filter cartridge, I threw away most of my bacteria right? Do you think I should get a filter with a biowheel or maybe add another piece of sponge to my filter to prevent this from happening next time? Thanks!

  

joycedonley

Saturday, August 04, 2001 - 04:43 pm
Marie your readings aren't actually high yet, but keep an eye on things. If you threw out ALL the media in your filter yes it will recycle.The media needs to stay in the tank for about a month to build up bacteria..if your piece of sponge wasn't in there long enough the tank may still cycle for a bit. I really like my biowheel. With the biowheel the wheel that spins(looks like cardboard) has the good bacteria. You can remove cartridges from biowheels as long as you keep the cardboard wheel with bacteria.You will have to make the decision about treating the one platy. I wouldn't treat them all again this soon and hate to even advise treating the one again. If she doesn't perk up in a couple of days maybe you should try the qt tank again. Just some fresh water in the qt tank may help to revive her if your main tank does start cycling.

  

marie6749

Sunday, August 05, 2001 - 12:34 am
ok, I'll keep an eye on the readings and on the one platy for a few days and see what happens. The good news is that everyone else seems very happy! The platy that had the white spot seems fine and no more fin clamping or scratching.

 

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