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Suddenly Cloudy Water in the Tank

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Anonymous

Monday, July 16, 2001 - 11:46 am
HI there, I need some help. My tank has been going well for months now, and then all of a sudden, the tank water is really cloudy. It's not green or brown, just cloudy like you can't see through it. I have tried some of those water conditioners that remove the cloudiness, but they are not helping. I don't know what caused this, but do you have any suggestions??

  

jeff

Monday, July 16, 2001 - 12:14 pm
hello..sometimes you will get another algea bloom after your new tank has cycled..usually caused by sudden overstocking?..also be sure you are not cleaning out your filter too much..that bacteria needs to get a good hold before you make sudden changes...just a start guess...a bit more info could help out..need not worry...

  

Anonymous

Monday, July 16, 2001 - 12:19 pm
what is considered too much for cleaning the filter?? I am relatively new to this and I replace the filter once a month. what is considered too much overstocking?? According to everything I have read, if this is an algae bloom, it should go away in a week. It's not going away. I have tested the water too and my ph is a bit high, and ammonia is .25. Help, what am I doing wrong after all this time?

  

joycedonley

Monday, July 16, 2001 - 12:47 pm
Anonymous let Jeff know what kind of filter you have. If you are replacing all the media and none stays you are in effect re-cycling your tank every month! Cq just bought a penguin mini that seems to have the same problem. If you have a biowheel that always stays it is safe to remove the carbon filter pak. If you have an Aquaclear never take out the sponge, just rinse it in tank water.(If the sponge starts to wear out add another one to the tank and use both until the replacement has enough bacteria to take over for the old one).

 

 

  

Anonymous

Monday, July 16, 2001 - 01:19 pm
The filter is a Whisper filter. I change the cartridge once a month as per my book that I've been reading that explains what should be changed and when. Is that not right/? Is that causing this sudden cloudiness?? If it is, why did this suddenly happen??

  

joycedonley

Monday, July 16, 2001 - 01:31 pm
What book? The one that came with the filter? The bacteria accumulates on gravel in only a UG, on a sponge in a aquaclear, on the biowheels in the biowheel filters, filter wool or fibers on some old rare filters. If you don't have ANY media staying in the tank with 'good bacteria' there is nothing to cycle with. Also if you clean off the media with water that is not tank water you can destroy the good bacteria! Plasic does not hold any good bacteria and if this is all that is left after your maintenance the tank is recycling. I have never checked the whisper filters, but think I have heard they aren't the best. If your instructions were on the filter I would say 'BAD ADVICE'.

  

jeff

Monday, July 16, 2001 - 02:27 pm
ok..sorry new person..buy the way how big is this tank?..how many fish in there?..but anyway if you have one of those filters with the whole throw away cartrige and you can't keep part of your media..like aquaclears...then you can't change the cartrige during a water change..or you will be fighting the cycle all the time..go light on feeding for a few days...wait till you water clears..and see how it goes..don't put any of that cloudy clear crap in your tank either..

  

Anonymous

Monday, July 16, 2001 - 02:47 pm
The book, I'm now embarrassed to say after your responses, is "Freshwater Aquariums for Dummies". I guess they give advice to dummies like me that follow it. The tanks is 29 gallons and has 25 fish in it. I also have 2 crabs and a pleco to help keep things clean, along with a snail. Do you have a recommendation on a better filter?? I have waited 2 1/2 weeks for the cloudiness to clear up and it never did. I then bought that "cloudy clear crap" and it's not working either. How long should it take to clear and did I damage anything with that liquid to remove the cloudiness?? I really appreciate your help.

  

jeff

Monday, July 16, 2001 - 04:38 pm
ah..so you got the dummies book huh?..ok..now you have something for your yard sale!..seems to me you may be fighting a bio-load problem and your filtration can't handle it..if you are getting high nitrate reading you will get another algea bloom..please re-test your water for ph,ammonia,nitrites and nitrates(get actual numbers not high or low). or get your LPS to do it for you for free..if this is not the problem.. have you changed anything in your tank just before the cloudy water started up?...try to keep a log or journal..it will really help you out and us too..

  

Anonymous

Monday, July 16, 2001 - 05:19 pm
Ph is 7.0 and ammonia is .25. I know that it should be 0 and the ph should be closer to 6.5, at least according to the dummies book. Is that causing the cloudiness??

  

joycedonley

Monday, July 16, 2001 - 09:48 pm
Anonymous that book should go to the yard sale like Jeff said. Try to get ahold of an Aquarium Fish magazine like Kick mentioned in her algae post. It has very up to date methods of fishkeeping and probably costs a lot less than your dummy book. Ph is not that critical for most tank bred fish. There are a few exceptions, but those fish aren't for beginners. Most of the tropical fish at your LFS are in water the same ph as your tap and Ph of 7.0 is a fine for your tank.What fish are in the tank? I agree with Jeff and think your bio-load sounds pretty high unless those fish are all neons. How often do you do water changes and how much?

  

Anonymous

Tuesday, July 17, 2001 - 08:17 am
I have tetras, barbs, mollies, swords, danios, 1 pleco, 2 crabs and a snail. I do the water changes 1 time a month and take out approximately 1/4 of the water. ( I do have a few babies in the tank too in a net enclosure. Baby mollies. ) Does that sound ok?? None are big, all an inch long except for the swords. They may be about 1 1/2 inches.

  

Kick

Tuesday, July 17, 2001 - 10:22 am
Busy message! With the Whisper filter, do you also have a sponge filter in place? When changing the filters, you should only rinse the sponge in some aquarium water that you siphoned out. Replacing the sponge takes with it all the good bacteria that you need. What you are seeing is a bacteria bloom, and I think this has probably happened from too frequent changing of your filters. Also too much siphoning and cleaning of the gravel can cause this too. Don't mean to stick my nose in here, but I had the same problem years ago. Didn't change my "carbon" filter but every 2 months, swished the sponge in old aquarium water to clean and didn't bother the filters at the same time I was changing the water and things straightened right up.

  

joycedonley

Tuesday, July 17, 2001 - 11:57 am
Anon everyone gave good advice on you filter situation. Your question on the fish load....your swords and mollies can get to be about 4 inches.I never kept mollies, but I have had swords. Since you already have the fish keep up on yor maintenance and if any die don't run out and replace them. 25 fish plus a pleco is a lot in a 29 gal tank especially if your fish are just juvenilles.

  

cq

Tuesday, July 17, 2001 - 01:46 pm
I think you have problems in your future. As joyce said, swords get to be 4 inches long. I looked into keeping mollies and they get to be around the same size. Both are also prolific breeders so you will constantly have babies in your tank. Also, what kind of pleco is it? Some of them get to be huge (although they grow slowly). Have room for a second tank?? At any rate, I would do water chages more frequently than once a month with that bio-load. BTW I also bought the Dummies book when I started. It is now residing in the local garbage dump. I felt like a "dummy" after buying it. Half of the stupid book dealt with Marine tanks and the half that dealt with freshwater wasn't all that helpful .

  

Anonymous

Tuesday, July 17, 2001 - 04:39 pm
You all have been great. Thanks for the suggestions and the help. I do appreciate it. The "Dummies" book is now holding up our bbq grill. Is that a better place for it?? I really appreciate your patience with me.

  

Kick

Wednesday, July 18, 2001 - 02:02 am
Glad that we could help you. Be patient, slow down just a little, and I think this problem will hopefully correct itself.

P.S. No need to be too embarrassed to tell us your name. We promise we won't bite and we really like to know who we are talking to.

P.P.S. Dummies book holding up the grill is just fine as long as there are no fish in it....hehe...just joking!!!

  

badman

Wednesday, July 18, 2001 - 05:59 am
Wait!!! badmans is listed as a resource in that book. It can't be all bad


Pat

  

jeff

Wednesday, July 18, 2001 - 01:37 pm
hey badman you are right..as a internet link!..which is about the only smart thing in the book!..I have read it and it is only good for well ya dummies!..way too much grey areas to get you into trouble...

  

Anonymous

Wednesday, July 18, 2001 - 03:07 pm
hey now, be nice to us newbies....we don't know any better.

  

jeff

Wednesday, July 18, 2001 - 05:11 pm
do not worry I was there once too, and made the same mistakes..(oh..wait I am still makin em!)..that's why I am always here tryin to help..

  

lboy

Wednesday, July 18, 2001 - 08:44 pm
Hey Anon,

I use a Whisper filter also and the one I have is too small to have the biosponge like the larger models have. I alleviate this problem by adding a small amount of my old carbon in the new filter cartridge when I do my monthly replacing. This leaves enough bacteria to make a decent starter culture. This method has given me no problems of a monthly re-cycling ;) Good luck! We've all learned from our mistakes and rest assured that things will go better once you know what you're doing ;)

  

jeff

Wednesday, July 18, 2001 - 11:55 pm
thanks Iboy good tip for him

  

Anonymous

Thursday, July 19, 2001 - 09:37 am
How do you add a small amount of the old carbon?? Is there a way to take the filters apart??

  

lboy

Thursday, July 19, 2001 - 02:39 pm
Well, yes you can take the filter apart. If you are using the Whisper filter, you replace the cartridges by throwing out the floss and carbon while keeping the old frame right? The frame is detachable from the floss/carbon insert. What model of the Whisper filter do you use? What kind of cartridges do you use? Do you buy single packs of cartridges or do you buy multipacks? Single packs will have one frame for each cartridge whereas the multipack has one frame a whole boxfull of inserts.

  

Kick (Kick)

Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 01:47 pm
Rachel Foreman, I moved your post to the next thread as this one was getting too long. Check under "Suddenly Cloudy Water in the Tank...continued....you will find it there.

 

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