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Which ick medicine to use?

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Jamie

Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 09:49 pm
I have a 2 week old 29 gal. tank with 2 dwarf gouramies, one betta, and two red tail sharks. One of the gouramies has one white spot on a fin, and it looks like ick to me. I have some left over medications (they're not very old). One is Jungle brand Ick guard II, and the other is Jungle brand ick guard I. which one do I use, and should I quarantine the sick-o or leave it and treat it along with the others who appear to be healthy?

  

Kick

Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 10:53 pm
Jamie, if you see ick, then the whole tank needs to be treated as this parasite starts in the substrate as cysts. However, in your case, the ick may have come from the tank in which you purchased your fish. It may have already been on the fish and you couldn't see it yet or from the water that you might have added along with putting your fish in the tank. I assume since you have these medications on hand that you have kept fish before, but I am going to give you a little bit of advise. This tank has too many fish for a new start-up. And the stres from your water conditions could have resulted in the ick.

With a tank this new, you should have only added 2 fish at first. Do you understand the nitrogen cycle of an aquarium? It will be to you benefit to read about this so that you understand what happens in the first several weeks to months in a tank.

Now to answer your question, the Ick Guard II is what you want to use. The red tailed sharks are actually catfish and have no scales. Any scaleless fish or ones sensitive to Malachite Green cannot withstand this medication. That is why the Ick Guard II is on the market. If you read your bottle it will tell you that the regular Ick Guard should not be used with scaleless fish and some varieties of tetras. It probably would also be beneficial to you to read some of the previous posts concerning ick, stocking your tank and having a betta in with the other two species. This is really not a good combination for the betta, and there really should only be one RT shark per tank as when they grow older they will become aggressive. Hope all this helps. Stick around. There is a lot of good information on this site. If you have not done so yet, click at the top of this page under the advertisement and go to the main site. Lots of info there. Good Luck!

  

Jamie

Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 11:07 pm
Thanks Kick! I'll use the Ick II right after I change the water in the morning. I have had fish once before, but just when the tank stablized, I left for an extended vacation and gave the fish away. I have spent a fair amount of time doing research, and it's amazing how many different things you read and hear about fish. Several sources (mostly friends and family) say 1/2 inch of fish per gallon of water to cycle the tank. I do check the water chemistry a couple of three times a week, and I will change the water pretty often (weekly?) until it is stable. There is a great fish shop in my town - they do fish and scuba equipment only - they have been great, and this site of course is a big help.
I figure on adding a couple more fish sometime in september. wish me luck!

  

Jamie

Friday, August 03, 2001 - 10:01 am
Allright - I used the ick II. How long am I supposed to leave the carbon filter out? And, should a second dose be given tomorrow? I don't want to leave the filter out for too long, but I want to make sure the ick is taken care of. At least the gouramie doesn't look any worse today. The ammonia level hasn't gone up very much at all, but this time I tested the water after I put in the meds. does that affect the reading? thanks in advance!!

  

joycedonley

Friday, August 03, 2001 - 07:55 pm
Jamie I'll let Kick help with the rest, but leave carbon out until you are done treating. Carbon will suck the meds right out of the tank!

  

joycedonley

Friday, August 03, 2001 - 09:06 pm
Jamie if you are the one with the Whisper filter there may be a problem if the carbon is the only filtering media associated with it. You can't treat for ich with carbon, but if there is no media in the filter the tank may recycle. Check the directions on your meds and as soon as you are done treatment add the carbon cartridge back. Keep it wet with TANK water in the meantime in a pail or something and hopefully it may maintain some bacteria. I don't use ich II so I am not sure how many days?

  

Jamie

Friday, August 03, 2001 - 10:07 pm
Joyce - my Whisper has a sponge, and I put the carbon filter in the bucket with the water I took out before I treatet for ich. (that was luck - I just haven't bothered to dump the bucket yet.) The filter is FILTHY! should I use the same carbon and just rinse the filter bag thing, or use new carbon? The last time I cycled this tank, I changed the carbon when it got dirty. I don't know what happened to those fish after I gave them away. I feel like I've read so much and asked so many questions already, but still am lost on so many things!! I wonder how many fish I'll go through before I get it all straightened out?? What a horrible thought.
Thanks for all the help - I'm sure I'll need more soon!!

  

joycedonley

Saturday, August 04, 2001 - 08:30 am
Jamie my first year I also went through a lot of fish, so don't get discouraged! As long a you have some filter media ie. a sponge that you keep in the tank your bacteria is there. I wan't sure if your whisper had a sponge still in it or not. It depends on how old the carbon is to replace it. Usually the directions say monthly, but I have kept mine a week or so longer.You should rinse it bi-weekly in some tank water so it doesn't get too dirty.I only use carbon to pull meds out of the tank. You don't have to keep carbon running in your tank, it's really a matter of preference. Always rinse any filter media by the way in tank water so you don't have to worry about chlorine and such destroying your good bacteria. I really like my biowheel and have heard that it is a great method for filtration. When you decide to add one keep the old filter going for a month so the biowheel can get enough bacteria on it to take over.

  

joycedonley

Saturday, August 04, 2001 - 11:05 am
Last note be sure to never let any filter MEDIA dry out. If it is not kept wet in the tank water the good bacteria will die off. By media I mean a sponge, filter wool, carbon bags, peat bags,biowheel...I am sure there are others.

  

Kick

Sunday, August 05, 2001 - 12:20 am
Jamie, I don't mean to contradict Joyce, but let me clarify something for you. The carbon is put into the tank to help keep the water clear. It does very little concerning the bacteria. Your sponge is taking care of that for you. I know lots of folks who never even use carbon and depend only on a sponge filter for the biological filtration of the tank. If the carbon is over a month old, it has lost is capacity to do the job it is supposed to do, and will not be able to remove the medication. Just throw it away and after the ick has cleared, put in a new one. The sponge, however, should not be replaced until it is shot. Once it is, you should definitely have enough bacteria in the substrate to be able to replace it. Rinse with the tank water before inserting into your filter as this will "capture" some of the bacteria the old one has housed.

I would only treat with the IG II once and wait to see if you start to see any clearing of the ick. Overdosing is just as bad as the disease itself and can cause other problems in the fish. If your case is not too bad, one dose ought to do it. Once you see no more ick, you will need to clean your gravel as this is where the ick comes from to begin with...cysts that dwell in the substrate. Do about a 30 percent water change, clean the gravel good as possible, return your carbon filter and move on. However, do not purchase any fish for at least 2 weeks until you make sure that the ick does not reappear or introduce more ick into the tank from a new purchase.

  

joycedonley

Sunday, August 05, 2001 - 09:52 am
Thanks for the clarification Kick..I just meant the carbon is also filter media.

  

Jamie

Sunday, August 05, 2001 - 01:43 pm
Oops - i had already used two doses of the Ich II stuff.
Now, however, the fish that had the ich spots is being tormented by the other gourami and the betta. His dorsal fin and tail fin both have tears. I don't have another tank to move anyone to, and I'm not sure if I can really justify the cost for a $4.00 fish. Maybe some sort of divider? I checked the only pet store that is open between Sat. and Tues. and they don't have anything like that in stock. I guess I'll break down and go to Walmart.
ALSO - one of the rt cats got his poor little head stuck in the UG pump. He was pretty mangled when I found him (dead of course). I'm pretty sure there are little bits of him throughout the tank. I'm paranoid that he may have been there for quite some time (overnight and until just now) and now everyone else will get some kind of awful disease because of it and die sometime today. I just changed the water 2 days ago (25%), the tank is new - is it a good or a bad idea to change the water today?
I'm such a bad fish mom!!! HELP!!
thanks in advance!!!!!!!

  

joycedonley

Sunday, August 05, 2001 - 01:58 pm
Jamie I hope it is a RT shark not RT catfish. The RT catfish get huge and shouldn't be kept in a 29gallon tank...they are tankbusters. If small pieces of a dead fish are floating around chances are the other fish will eat it up, so I wouldn't panic as long as you removed most of it.If you just changed 25% of the water and you are medicating you may want to hold off on the water change. Your directions on the meds probably advise a water change when you finish the treatment.If your fish start gasping at the surface and quit eating you may have to do a small one. Be really careful not to keep overdosing and follow the directions. As far as the dead fish goes I don't see how that could happen and it's really horrible! Are you sure your connections are secure? Petwarehouse.com sells dividers as a last resort if you can't find one at Walmart. It may take a few days to ship to you. I think you can get a small 5gal tank for about 7.00 if you shop around. That size is fine for a qt tank.

  

joycedonley

Sunday, August 05, 2001 - 02:02 pm
Saw your other post to Kick 3gallon eclipse is a great idea. Good luck.

  

Shan

Monday, August 06, 2001 - 12:04 pm
Jamie, I had aggressive fish too, I couldn't get a divider right away and put the aggressive one in a breeder net until I got one.

  

Kick

Monday, August 06, 2001 - 06:09 pm
You can move the betta to a bowl easily enough. The gourami is the same classification as the betta, but if he is very large then this is probably not a good idea. Apparently, you have written to me elsewhere (I will go look now), but if you are thinking of a 3 gallon eclipse and want to spend the money for the betta, this would be fine. However, I would not put both the gourami and betta in this close of quarters together. Will look for your post and add to it if necessary.

As for the RT getting caught in the UG filter. Can you explain how that happened? Do you have your uptake tubes covered with carbon filters? I would not leave the tops of these tubes open because you are going to see more disasters if this is how the RT lost his life.

 

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