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Rachel

Thursday, August 09, 2001 - 04:39 pm
Hi again guys. Well, I was gone all day yesterday and didn't come home until today. I came in and checked on my tank first thing. I saw my 2 gouramies, but didn't see my angel. After a min or two of looking, I realize she had hidden herself underneath one of the rock arches in the bottom of my tank. She hasn't come out at all yet, not even when I put shrimp in the tank. My younger teenage brother has been here with me for a few days. He likes to put his face up on the glass and scare the fish. Is she sick or just stressed out. She won't come out from under the rock. Should I just leave her alone for a while?? Any suggestions on what I should do?? I know I might be over reacting a little, but there is no telling what my brother did while I was gone.

  

Kick

Friday, August 10, 2001 - 08:58 am
Before I would blame that little brother, I would look into the gouramis. It could very well be that they are harassing the angel. Are these the only fish you have in this tank? Hiding can mean a couple of things, but the first is stress from the aggressiveness of other fish in the tank. If they have gotten along well up to this point (remember you don't know what is going on when the lights are out), then you might want to check on your water perimeters and pH. If you don't notice him darting or rubbing on plants, decor, etc., I would still sway toward the gouramis making his life uncomfortable. Not eating is not a good sign, but it could be that he is too frightened right now to go after the food.

  

Rachel

Friday, August 10, 2001 - 10:29 am
Right after I finished writing the first message. She came out from under the rock and swam around and ate the food, but after a while of swimming around the tank, she went under the rock again. She repeated this many times over the course of the night and has done it twice this morning. I don't understand it either. She normally is really active and swims back and forth right in the front of the tank where she can be seen. I don't think that the gouramies are being agressive toward her. However, when I first put her in the tank, she was agressive towards them. After the first few days, she stopped and they all get along fine, from what I see. All three usually swim around the tank in a group. And yes, the angel and the 2 gouramies are the only fish in the tank. The pH and ammonia levels are fine. I was thinking that maybe she has laid eggs under the rock and is protecting them, because there is a flat piece of rock under the arch. But if I remember correctly, one, the angels will eat their own eggs, two, I have no male angel to fertilize them. Maybe I should just keep an eye out and wait to see what happens. Anymore suggestions would be great. I don't think she is sick, but if there is anything wrong with her, I'd like to catch it early so I can help before I lose her. Much thanks

  

joycedonley

Friday, August 10, 2001 - 11:53 am
Keep an eye on thing Rachael. I had trouble in the past with aggressive dwarf gouramis. Sometimes they get preety feisty. Angles don't lay eggs in caves. Mine lay them on the filter tube or side of tank. They will lay them on slate also. They fan the eggs for a day or two and kind of hover over them. Then when I'm not looking eat them!

  

Robin

Sunday, August 19, 2001 - 10:25 pm
Hi. I was wondering why my Cardinal Tetra was found floating dead yesterday morning, then my daughter found small bubbles floating up from the bottom of the tank. I did a water change. I actually did a 50% water change because of the collection of feces in the gravel. This afternoon I found a Black Mollie bent over and floating on the gravel on its side. Do you think I have too high of amonia? I know you are not supposed to do such a big water change. I only changed the water 3 weeks ago and my tank is twenty gallons. I have an algae eater, 4 skirted tetras, 2 zebra danios, (had) 2 Black Mollies and they had babies. I found one and have it in a small fish net until I get a maternity trap for it to grow. After I found the black mollie dead I checked the water temp. it was 92deg.!!!!
Wow! I don't know what happened there, I usually keep it at 82 deg. Hope you have some advice for me out there. Really wondering what is going on, maybe it is something I am doing wrong.

  

jeff

Monday, August 20, 2001 - 01:09 am
robin sorry what happened..usually bubbles from the substrate indicate nitrate and ammonia converting to nitrogen gas...if it smelled it was also producing CH4(methane gas)...the high temp in your tank probably set off a chain reaction and did your fish in..my sympathy sorry

  

joycedonley

Monday, August 20, 2001 - 07:19 am
Suggest you purchase a better heater. The electronic ones are much better. The inexpensive heaters tend to break easily; the temps either fluctuates or they leak. I replaced all four of my cheap heaters with Tronics. I noticed the temp in my 29gallon rising with a cheap heater and caught it in time.

  

Kick

Wednesday, August 22, 2001 - 09:01 am
Robin, I agree with the other two, but I would like to add something. First, even 82 is a bit too warm. The normal temperature of a tank is about 74-78. Also might I mention that mollies need a good deal of salt in their water for good health and survival, but this cannot be added with the other fish you are keeping. Also danios prefer to be in shoals of 5 to 7 so when the tank is back in normal order, you might think of getting a few more of those. A good idea if you want to keep the remaining mollies is to set up another tank where you can add the needed salt for their survival.

  

Jack

Thursday, September 06, 2001 - 07:43 pm
Folks,
I have a female swordtail that has been acting peculiarly for at least a month now.
She was a prolific breeder, but her mate suddenly died last month. For a while she was fine. Then she started swimming at the top of the tank, near the bubbler. Prior she always stayed hidden behind the plants at the bottom. Yesterday we found her, nose down, in one corner. But, then she was back at the top near the bubbles again. This morning she was nose down in the front of the tank.
Her fins are not clamped. But, today my wife put her in a segregation tank. However, her alignment is still nose down. And, she does eat.
What, the heck, could cause this? I fear she may not last much longer.

  

joycedonley

Thursday, September 06, 2001 - 08:13 pm
Her swim bladder is no longer functioning properly. That is what keeps the fish floating and balanced. Try treating with Maracyn or Maracyn II if you are using the QT tank. Swim bladder disease is listed under medications on badmans main board. By the way also checked my book to be sure and symptom of swim bladder disease is loss of balance, fish swims upside down or on their side.

  

jeff

Friday, September 07, 2001 - 02:11 pm
jack..I thinks you said it in your statement that she was a prolific breeder..this is a problem that can manifest over time..Her poor little bladder is not functioning well from all that breeding,or recent even courtship and also stress from whatever else will increase the problem...also just to be sure a bacterial infection isn't causing this problem too..remove her as you have now, if she doesn't recover on her own treat with M2 as joyce suggested...good luck...

  

Jack

Sunday, September 09, 2001 - 08:34 pm
Folks,I have a (sick?)betta problem.Two days ago my wife mentioned that our female betta looked strange. On inspection, her right, lower gill area seems to be protruding due to some white mass. Also, several weeks ago, behind her dorsal fin, it appeared as if something had taken a bite out of her; several scales were/are missing, and her flesh seemed exposed. However, she is in a tank with no agressive fish (guppies, neons, small swords). Could she have developed a bacterial or fungal infection? She is extremely active, and eats very well. The tank pH is about 6.7, and the NH4 level is about 40ppm. I keep the temperature around 76 normally, but with the high temps this summer it has hovered around 80. I now have her segregated, which she does not like at all. (These bettas seem almost as intelligent as Oscars or Jack Dempseys.) Any comments would be most welcome.

  

joycedonley

Sunday, September 09, 2001 - 09:06 pm
I would personally treat with Kanacyn. This is what I use to treat fungus,fin rot and infections. Kick usually suggests adding salt to bettas tank although your tetra will not tolerate salt well. If you currently have the betta in a QT tank you may try adding a tsp of salt to the water. It should also help the fins to heal. The condition does sound very serious if your fish has a bite taken out of her. Bettas don't make good community fish even the females so you may want to keep her in a small tank to herself whether she like it or not. Guppys can sometimes be a little nippy, but can't imagine them taking a chunk out of any fish!

  

JackW

Thursday, September 13, 2001 - 05:26 pm
Joyce, Thanks. I've started with Maracyn, only because I have some now, and the pictures on the package seem to discribe what is happening. However, I don't notice a significant change in the gill region. But, it's only been three days. I'll give it a while longer, and then let you know. I'm sorry to say that mama sworttail is no longer. She seemed to be doing much better. But, then she escaped her isolation tank, and I think the stress of getting her back in it did her in. My only salvation is that she left behind a plethora of offspring. Thanks gain.

  

joycedonley

Thursday, September 13, 2001 - 08:33 pm
Maracyn is fine for bacterial infections. Most swordtails only live about 3 years and if they breed a lot they can shorten their lifespan. If she had survived she would have eaten all the offspring. By the way guppys only live about a year give or take a few months, so if you reach the year mark you have taken good care of the fish. Small tetra usually live about five years( I have serpae and red-eye that are five now), but neons are really hard to keep since they are so easily stressed. Kick would have to advise on bettas(when she gets back maybe), but I know they live longer than livebearers.

  

JackW

Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 09:55 am
Folks, Well, it's been 10 days now on Maracyn, and my female betta seems to be getting worse?! Her right gill is extremely distended, her fin rot seems to be increasing in severity, and now her body seems to be bloating; but she still eats! The tank pH is about 6.7, the nitrate level is about 40ppm, and the water temp is about 76F. Yesterday I bought some Maracyn 2. Nobody around here (the boonies) has Karacyn. Should I continue to medicate with the M2? Should I give her a break for a few days? Are these infections often this resistant?

  

joycedonley

Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 12:05 pm
Do you still have her in the QT tank? Fin rot is really usually cause by bacteria in the water getting into a wound or affecting a stressed fish(if guppys were nipping at her fins she would have been stressed).If you are feeding too much it could make her constipated and bloated. Also extra food waste could add to the bacteria in the tank. Kick recommended a small piece of blanched pea for bettas that are constipated. If she is eating try that and cut down on your feeding amts to only a tiny bit once a day until this improves.Healthy fish can actually go a couple of weeks without food ( sometimes if your tank is has extremely high levels of ammonia and such it's the only way to fix things). If you have any carbon running in the filter, it should have been removed as it will absorb the meds. I have never had to treat that long. Are you still doing regular water changes the nitrate level seems a little high? If the betta is getting dropsy there may be nothing you can do except continue treatment and hope. Badmans main board describes dropsy under medications(please read the description maracyn is also what you treat dropsy with). Sometimes if fish have internal infections you just can't cure them. At this point I don't think continuing the meds will hurt. If she looks like she has problems breathing you can try running a small airstone with pump in the tank to help increase the oxygen.

  

joycedonley

Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 12:10 pm
Switch to the M2 as that is for dropsy and maybe it will help if the infection is also affecting her internally.Dropsy is very hard to cure.

  

joycedonley

Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 12:13 pm
Jack your nitrate reading needs to be about 5-10ppm so I would do a water change before treating with the M2 and make sure you cut down on the food!!!!!

  

adrian

Saturday, September 22, 2001 - 05:42 am
could anybody out there help me and my fish? i recently bought a freshwater mooray eel which is a little under a foot long. the problem is after 3 weeks it still hasnt eaten. so far i tried worms, various fish meat and even resorted to small fish but nothing interests it. i need help and would grately apreciate any help for my special friend.

  

joycedonley

Saturday, September 22, 2001 - 08:15 am
I really think they aren't freshwater regardless of what you were told. Almost all eels are at least brackish and if you do a search engine on the web you will see Morays come out countless times as ocean creatures. They are also nocturnal so suggest you try feeding at lights out.

  

joycedonley

Saturday, September 22, 2001 - 08:28 am
Sorry you have been in fact misled by your LFS store. Maybe if enough people complain someday something will be done!Following is a quote from another site and they do need SALT in the water and quit a bit!
From aquariacentral.com
"Although traded as freshwater fishes, these are brackish water fishes best kept with other hardy brackish water fish like monos and scats, and can adapt to marine conditions as well. A specific gravity range of about 1.005 to 1.010 is acceptable for long term health. As with other moray eels, these fish are predators, enjoying small fish and crustaceans"

  

joycedonley

Saturday, September 22, 2001 - 08:41 am
Try this Link Adrian. I found it with a search on freshwater moray eel(the eel that doesn't exist).
http://www.theaquarians.net/FishGuide/morayeel.htm
They won't eat unless they feel secure.It needs a cave or lair. Also like a snake they can go a long time with no food. It was a really informative link by someone that has a couple so check it out!

  

adrian

Saturday, September 22, 2001 - 09:58 am
thanks very much joyce for your informative help. i try to meet the requirments of all my fish especialy my 2 snakeheads which are housed in a 6" tank with good filtration and obviosly the enormouse amount of food they eat and a ceramic pot with small hole for my mooray. i thought i knew fish and knew how to tell the difference between freshwater and marine species but having seen marine eels and there bright colours in shops before i presumed the blander colours of my eel were a sure sign of freshwater based. however having owned it for 3 weeks and it still seems very active at times and happy i will hope he decides to eat soon. thanks again and hope i can return the favour of my knowledge when needed.

 

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