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Guppy Breeding...?

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Anonymous

Friday, December 21, 2001 - 08:17 pm
Hi. I want to be a marine biologist but right now i'm settling with fishkeeping as a hobby. I'm especially interested in breeding fish and so i bought 3 guppies: 2 females and 1 boy. They are in a I'm pretty sure that at least one of the girls is pregnate and so I was wanting some tips from some experienced guppy breeders. I've done my share of research, but thought the more help I can get, the better. Thanks!

  

joycedonley

Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 09:41 am
Hi A I never raised guppy, but I did raise some platy fry and they are very similar. Platy however are less likely to eat their offspring than swords or guppy. If you don't rescue your fry immediately mom will have a quick snack of them. If you have some floating plants in your tank sometimes they can hide until you have time to save them. You should either buy a net breeder or another small tank to keep the babies in. Do not buy the plastic breeder traps as water doesn't ciculate well enough and the stagnant water will kill the fry or deform them(I did have deformed fish with the plastic trap).It's really pretty easy as the babies are large enough to eat finely crushed flake. Just put the food in a plastic sandwhich bag, seal and crush with a rolling pin or something. Best method: get a sponge filter going on your current tank(really need it going for about 4 weeks) and when the babies are born transfer it and some water to your extra tank. That way you seed(cycle) the new tank and always have a place ready for fry. Sponge filters are also great in that they collect infusiora that the fry can pick at and it'll help feed them. By the way the one of the sponge filters I have is called dirt magnet, but any kind of LFS sponge with pump or airstone that sits in the tank will do. I think penguin made my pump type sponge filter.

  

Kick

Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 12:13 pm
All of what Joyce told you is not necessary. Right now I have a 38 gallon tank filled with guppies, probably about 50 or so, and I started out with 5!! The only thing you really need to do is to have some cover for them. I have a plastic plant that is low to the bottom and probably about 7 inches by 7 inches square where the newborns can hide, but in general as long as you keep every one fed properly, they can live together quite happily with very minimal loss due to eating. Just throw some males and females together and before you know it, you are going to have fry swimming everywhere.

I feed the babes dry "fry food" as this is very easy for them to take and doesn't foul the water like liquid fry food. Good luck and have fun waiting and watching to see what different color varieties you come up with.

  

joycedonley

Sunday, December 23, 2001 - 10:24 am
A friend of mine years ago always lost her fry to mom or dad, but maybe she had no cover for them to hide out. It's been so many years now that I don't remember all the circumstances. When I had my platy fry only two managed to hide out and survive, but I had many fish othe than platy in the tank. I think your setup and the fish you have determine whether the fry survive or not.

  

Pandora

Sunday, December 23, 2001 - 04:28 pm
It depends on the individual. I breed guppies, and some parents will be aggressive predators that chase down their young to the corners of the tank, but some totally ignore tiny newborn fry. I tend to separate in a nursery/breeder just as a precaution during the first few weeks, so I can watch them as they grow and feed. In comparison, separated fry grow about twice as fast and have a better mortality rate than ones that are allowed to grow up and fend for themselves in a larger tank. In a well-planted tank (especially with java moss in it), a prolific guppy pair will produce a good quantity of fry that survive regardless. If you are thinking of serious breeding and need a high survival rate, I'd suggest a separate system.

  

joycedonley

Monday, December 24, 2001 - 07:00 am
Pandora do you sell the fry or what do you do with them all?

  

Pandora

Monday, December 24, 2001 - 10:28 am
joyce, I mostly do it for fun, and a teeny tiny sliver of profit. My LFS buys them back from me for $1 a piece, but only because I know them, and sometimes if someone else is interested, I'll sell some. Right now I just have 2 tanks of red fantails going, nothing serious, but they breed when they want... and anyone near DC/MD can get a cheap pair of them =) Used to have a gold snakeskin line going a while ago but sold them when I moved.

Usually don't sell the fry until they are 2 months old and show good color.

  

joycedonley

Monday, December 24, 2001 - 11:08 am
Hmm. I've been trying to decide on a fish to add eventually to my one 29 gallon with the ton of java fern. Currently my black marble angel in there is looking very rough. He is about 5-6 years old and just looks worn out. Doesn't really have any disease, but just doesn't have the old zip or shiny fins anymore. Anyways I've been trying to figure out what fish to put in there in the future when my angel's gone. Maybe krib maybe guppy..will have to think on it awhile, but I bet the guppy would look really pretty in a planted tank.

  

Pandora

Tuesday, December 25, 2001 - 04:48 pm
Well, deciding on new fish for the tank is always fun... and it does sound like that angel could use a change, he'll probably grow better in a bigger tank. As for the 29, pair of kribs would be great, but they don't need all that room on their own. Would be nice for all guppies, certainly colorful! Or a tankful of rainbowfish, maybe, there would never be a dull moment...

  

joycedonley

Tuesday, December 25, 2001 - 08:55 pm
Pandora all my angels are gradually turning into old fish! I let the four originally pair up in a 55 gallon before my wicked little festivum took it over.Now two live in a 40h and two in my 29gallon heavily planted java tank. In a couple of years I'll probably be ready for a change. Hubby might like guppy as he had them many years ago and misses the neons I had such bad luck with! He seems to like small colorful fish a lot.By the way Merry Christmas ..I have a couple of days off from work to be with my family. Kind of a mini vacation.

  

Anonymous

Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 11:36 am
Thanks everyone... It really helps. I'm thinking that thebabies will be born in early January as Mom started to gain wieght in early Dec. I bought what i thought was a breeding trap but it turns out to be a net-type box that hangs over the side of the tank and is supposed to be used to raise the babies in safely. Do you think it's safe to transport my three guppies into a 20 gallon tall tank before birth? I heard that the babies could be born prematuraly if the mom is handled too much, and the fry may not survive having to carry around a yolk sak. The new tank has been cycling for 4 days and i think it's ready for fish and live plants. I'm thinking 2-3 plecos, 1 or 2 snails, some mollies and guppies, one neon blue dwarf gouramie, 3-4 ghost shrimp, and maybe a couple platies. What do you think? Thanks again. (ps: did you really start out w/ 5 guppies?)

  

joycedonley

Sunday, December 30, 2001 - 08:54 am
Skip the plecos they will get too large and will sometimes eat fry if the opportunity presents itself. Better bet are ottos that are too small to eat much of anything but algae! But you shouldn't add any algae eaters until you have enough algae in the tank(a couple of months). I really hope you aren't planning on adding all those fish at once! You should only add about two or three small fish until the tank is completely cycled which takes 4-5 weeks! You should first add the plants and then in a week or so add your cycle fish. A 20 gallon tall is only equivalent to a 15 gallon for fish capacity. The extra height does not provide extra square inches of water surface for your fish. Anyways if you are planning on breeding the guppy you'll use up that 15 gallons pretty fast. Either limit your numbers of fish or plan on buying more tanks!

  

Anonymous

Monday, December 31, 2001 - 02:25 pm
Oh ok. thank u sooo much!

  

utah sunset

Tuesday, January 08, 2002 - 12:31 pm
My sword tail just had 15 little fry. I was able to catch 13 of them and put them in a 1 gal. tank for now. Hopefully when they get about 1 month old I will be able to lput them back in the other tank. Is this too soon to go in the bigger tank and will they all just be eaten or do you think this will be ok

  

joycedonley

Tuesday, January 08, 2002 - 03:24 pm
Maybe a little soon. If they can fit in the parents mouth they are too small.

  

Pandora

Tuesday, January 08, 2002 - 10:47 pm
Anonymous--not a problem. Good luck with those guppies, and Kick's scenario is not one that's that unusual...watch out, guppies truly do reproduce like crazy once they are given good water conditions! You are correct to be cautious about handling pregnant mothers, they are at risk for premature birth, putting both them and their babies at risk. Don't handle them any more than necessary, and always do so with care, but it is relatively safe to put them in a breeder which is IN the same tank. I would not move them to a new unestablished tank unless necessary, and if so, make sure it is well-cycled. I agree with joyce that you may not be able to get this new breeder tank up and running and cycled in time to house the still-pregnant mom. It is true that this species is pretty hardy and will survive all sorts of things, but I just wouldn't chance too much with a birthing mother. And she is also right about having the foresight to avoid overcrowding... a few breeding guppies will quickly turn into many overcrowded guppies. Good luck and watch those fish carefully, one day you may look in your tank in the morning, and see tiny little eyes staring out at you from the substrate!

joyce--Merry Xmas to you also. I've been really busy lately, and will be even more so now that school's started up again. Hope you find a good way to house those growing angelfish that are becoming a handful!

  

joycedonley

Wednesday, January 09, 2002 - 07:52 am
Pandora don't take off on us now..we are in the after Christmas rush here. Too many new tanks from Christmas to deal with so it's a really busy time of the year! I just decided to treat my Africans for hex...a whatever. I could only do the external treatment for now. They were scratching quite a bit and I recently read in A fish about African Rift Lake being susceptible to parasites. They had a great article in January that I kept on how the hatcheries rinse them in a bath, but don't usually totally get rid of them. Anyways I also ordered this hard to find parasite chemical from petwarehouse.com to make some medicated food per the article. I could only find it as a combo medication in all the stores around here and wanted to stick to the recipe. The article suggested to make the food with pellets to treat the internal ones as the baths only get rid of the external. Anyways I'm up to 15 fish in the 75 gallon now since my visit to a big fish store last weekend. I still have a few mbuna left in my grow out, but I really am saving for the Eheim filter before I transfer them. I heard of too many problems with the Fluval so decided to save the extra money and go with the pricey one. I love my new fish..one Tai Tiger Hap that's just getting color and 3 little black ones that are Red Afra(I think, wrote it down in my book).

  

Pandora

Thursday, January 10, 2002 - 04:12 pm
Aww, thanks, joyce, good point about the "holiday rush" with newbies who got tanks for Xmas. By hex, you mean hexamita, or hole-in-the-head disease? Yeah, all cichlids are vulnerable to this... actually all largish fish (including some gouramis), but I think cichlids especially... somewhere I read that just about all cichlids get this in some form, but usually it is otherwise asymptomatic if they are healthy otherwise. Never heard of this causing scratching though... that's usually more of an external skin irritation sign. I don't think just the scratching itself should be anything to worry about TOO much til other symptoms show up, although it's understandable to worry, I do so also when something is just *slightly* off. Are you sure it's a hexamita problem?

  

joycedonley

Friday, January 11, 2002 - 07:26 am
Pandora that's what an article in the Cichlid forum of A fish in January said. It said the African Lake Rift were pretty susceptible to it. Also when I went to that large LFS store this past weekend and mentioned that I did loose one fish (a Lab Caerelleus) the employee told me it was probably a parasite. I actually thought it might be stress related as the yellow Labs are pretty docile compared to the other fish. I figured he was a little spooked by all the aggression and had decided not to buy any more Labs for my tank(I will probably still skip them even though I love the yellow color). Anyways I haven't noticed any scratching since I used the tabs for it. Maybe I'll hold off on making the medicated food. Does anyone have an opinion on the rio pumps! My aquaclear 2000 with quick filter quit on me last night. They don't make them anymore( I can't even find in catalogs) so hubby rigged up this strange looking filter with my extra Aquaclear 3000. It won't stay on the quick filter so he used a twist tie. Anyways I guess I'll order my Eheim this week and see if that provides enough current. Just wondered if anyone had used the Rio submersibles????

  

Pandora

Saturday, January 12, 2002 - 10:00 pm
joyce, I'm sure you know more about Africans than I. I've only helped my friends set up African tanks, but only kept zebras and kribs (separately) myself. I do know that they are always battling hexamita, but I think I've read that low levels are tolerated, it's only the serious infestations that are very problematic... don't take my word on that though. If you do have a fish you have good reason to suspect died from it, I'd use the meds also.

Anyway, no opinion on the filters. I myself am just shopping for a mag drive pump for a 55gal I'm setting up for reef right now... and waiting for that next paycheck, which won't even get a chance to sit in the bank very long, hehe.

  

joycedonley

Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 10:32 am
Let me know how your reef setup goes. Someday when I retire I plan on setting one up. With kids and being oncall for work I just don't have the time to dedicate to a saltwater setup, but I'm filing away any info I get! Also I reread some of my old magazines and it did confirm what you said about the Africans. This hexamita is usually around like ich, but only seems to be problematic in stressed fish. I did get get the Metronidazole from petwarehouse.com. It has directions on making medicated food and also to use in the tank. I'll hold on to it in case serious probs come up in the future.

  

Pandora

Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 02:18 am
Yup, I hear ya on that, joyce. It's crazy right now, with how much time and money I'm spending on this setup right now, and I haven't even gotten water in it yet. Just networking on reef forums to meet local people for frag trades and livestock, but only hardware bought so far. Buying it all used, in fairly good condition... and even secondhand, I'm already up to about $800. I'm hoping not to top $1500 when all the live stuff is in there, which is "cheap" as far as a decently setup 55gal reef tank setup seems to go, from what I hear!

  

joycedonley

Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 07:36 am
Have fun did you notice the prices of live rock yet? That should really run up your costs some. Let me know what corals and such you decide to go with.

  

That_Canadian_Guy

Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 05:46 pm
Aquarium Fish has some pretty good ads for live rock and sand in the back.

  

Pandora

Thursday, January 17, 2002 - 08:47 pm
Canadian Guy, where is Aquarium Fish... URL? Thanks.

And yes, joyce, definitely shopped around, I knew what I was getting into before I bought the tank... expected to spend about $200 on live rock, but it's pretty ridiculous.

  

joycedonley

Friday, January 18, 2002 - 07:28 am
I have a copy of Aquarium fish magazine at home, but don't have the address here at work. I can post later unless someone else has it.

  

marie

Friday, January 18, 2002 - 01:59 pm
Here is the URL www.aquariumfish.com

  

joycedonley

Saturday, January 19, 2002 - 07:56 am
Actually that link is to animalnetwork, but they do have an add for subscription to Aquarium fish so it works!

  

Pandora

Sunday, January 20, 2002 - 11:31 am
Oh thanks, you guys, but I didn't want to go through the trouble of registering. I was looking more for local sales, and have since gotten in touch with a bunch of people from a local club (Washington Area Marine Aquarist Society, WAMAS), and they've been very nice to me. Thanks for your recommendations, all!

  

Anonymous

Sunday, February 10, 2002 - 12:20 pm
Thanks everyone. Wednesday my guppy had 17 babies and so far everything is going well. I have the fry in a floating breeding V-trap. Mama guppy is swimming freely once again with everyone else in the 20 galloner. Now I think my other female is pregnate but she won't be due until March. Thanks!

 

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