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Ich, ghost shrimp, and live plants

Badmans Tropical Fish Message Center: Fish diseases : Ich, ghost shrimp, and live plants
  

Laura P

Sunday, January 20, 2002 - 09:03 am
Help! My cherry barbs have ich and I'm not sure what to do. I have a 55gallon tank with a few live plants (java fern and moss) angels, cherry barbs, white clouds, platys and ghost shrimp. What treatment should I use that won't kill the shrimp or harm the plants

  

Pandora

Sunday, January 20, 2002 - 11:47 am
Laura, have you checked Badman's articles section? I have an article specifically on Treating Ich in Planted Tanks. These are just my own personal experiences with the same problem as you are having, don't take it as gospel, because there are many people with different ideas on this. But I do write about some things that worked for me. In particular, I'd say Maracide worked pretty well without killing the plants.

You are lucky in that the java ferns and mosses are usually such a hardy group, but the ghost shrimp (inverts) are a different matter (I keep these shrimp also). If at ALL possible, in your case, I'd try to remove both the shrimp and plants to a different tank, then you won't have to worry about adverse reactions when treating your fish. The reason I did not do this with my setup is because my planted tank is very extensive, and I know the roots go very deep into the substrate, there was no way I could uproot them all just to treat, it'd do more harm than good. In your case, I recommend it, because java ferns and moss do not have true root systems and should be easy to move from substrate, or if they are attached to driftwood, you could take them out together with the wood and submerse it in another tank. The ghost shrimp should not be too difficult to catch once the decorations are gone; would be easier than catching the fish & treating, at any rate. If these things are kept separately for a week without fish, the ich will not have a host to live on, and the cysts should also die, leaving you to be able to put the plants & shrimp back in the tank. Good luck!

  

Pandora

Sunday, January 20, 2002 - 11:51 am
Forgot to mention that the 2nd tank that you would want to keep your plants and shrimp in should be heated to tropical temperatures. Not only for the shrimp's sake (the plants should be fine for a week either way)... but also because ich cysts live far longer in their dormant form at lower temperatures. Your goal is to get them to open up into free-swimming larval ich, which will not be able to find a host... this is the form of the disease that is more delicate, and can't live long if not on a fish.

  

jeff s

Sunday, January 20, 2002 - 01:22 pm
good article pandora, I have read it..hell I read all your stuff..anyway yes I agreee with you..and definetly remove the inverebrates!..one thing though at least java fern is pretty darn hardy..I have had luck using rid ich+ but not maracide...hence removing fish and QT them is usually my answere...I am very interested in this topic anyway and will try to find out more..thanks for the article and info...

  

Pandora

Monday, January 21, 2002 - 11:44 am
Aww, thanks jeff, if you had stuff written here (do you?) I'd be reading a lot of it too! And I am by far an expert on this stuff, just struggling with the disease when I'm unlucky enough to see it, like everyone else. There are some good articles on TheKrib.com, which is where I learned a lot of info about the life cycle.

Don't forget to quarantine your fish!

  

Rasta_Puff

Sunday, March 17, 2002 - 10:26 am
Ok first of all ick is a parasite..just because da spots are gone off da fish doesnt mean da ick is gone.It means da momma ick has laid her eggs n it has sinked into da gravel now dey can be dere for awhile..When dey do hatch da water will smell very bad which you have 1,000 parasites swimmin around which can wipe out your whole tank dats why its very important to get da ick at da 1st stage..nah da meds..-CLOUT--FLUKES- are da best meds dey kill everything..BUT...you have live plants so big no-no...-MARACIDE-is god it da only company u can alter mixed meds..-ICK CLEAR-by tank buddies works great too...I hope I helped abit :-))

 

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