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ColdPoker

Friday, February 01, 2002 - 06:03 pm
I have a ten gallon tank with two cichlid in it (they are seperated by a partition). Both seem to have spots on their bottom tail fin. (copy and paste to address to view ---> http://coldpoker.homestead.com/files/ciclid.jpg ). These sopts do not seem to have any affect on either fish. Just was wondering if anyone had any idea as to what they are. Thanks for your help.

  

joycedonley

Saturday, February 02, 2002 - 07:26 am
The fish you have are cobalt blue zebra Lake Malawi mbuna "pseudotropheus callainos". The spots are called eyespots and normally denote a male fish. Sometimes females can also have one or two, but they are usually not as distinct as on the male. Anyways you should keep mbuna in at least a 55 gallon and a 75+ is much preferable.They are aggressive and territorial fish which is why you had to divide the small tank. There is no way these fish can continue to live happily in a ten gallon tank. They also have very specific needs such as high ph,lots of rocks and Cichlid salt. I suggest you find a good home for the fish or take them back. Even my grow out tank for juvenille mbuna is 29 gallons!

  

joycedonley

Saturday, February 02, 2002 - 10:55 am
Oops I mean eggspots(don't type this stuff up when you first wake up).

  

Jesse Goslee

Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 05:43 pm
I have 2 pseudotropeus lombardoi which are blue with dark blue stripes,1 pseudotropeus fuelleborni I think,it is green,blue ,brown,and orange blotched with 1 yellow eggspot.I also have two labidochromis caeruleus,and one pseutropeus zebra(orange blotched).My question is how do I tell if they are male or female?Also will these fish interbred?

  

joycedonley

Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 08:02 am
The labidochromis will not interbreed with the pseudotropheus. It is possible for the others to interbreed. I belong to a Rift Lake Cichlid group and it seems that the Lab conspec is much more likely to interbreed with each other(ie a L. pearlmutt with a L.caereleus). You are much better keeping at least 4 of each conspec(type) in the hopes that they will stick to breeding with each other. The reason for 4 or 5 is that it's almost impossible to sex juvenille mbuna. Some of the melachromis are color specific, but they don't always get the colors until they are about ready to breed (too late for you).Sometimes eggspots that are very large and clear will denote a male(again do not count on it).You may be able to tell by the dorsal fins, usually the females fin are more rounded, while the male has pointy fins. Most of the time until your females are holding you just haven't a clues! Some LFS stores will sell mixed African, but I personally am not keen on it...kind of like breeding pound puppy fish! Anyways live and learn, I would also like to have 4 of each in my tank. I found out about all this after the fact, but I'm getting a bit closer with 3 of some of my fishies. One other note labidochromis conspecs are very peaceful for mbuna and usually have a real hard time competing with zebra or lombardi for food! Don't get too upset if yours don't make it into adulthood(I keep my only L caerellus remaining one in my growout tank).You are headed for big problems with your current numbers. The pseudotropeus need to be kept in higher fish density to dispel aggression.When they get older one will probably take over the tank and kill off the rest(my guess the P. lombardi). If you insist on keeping only a few fish you may do okay with the labidochromis conspecs or aulocorona as some people even keep them with Rainbows. They just aren't as aggressive as most mbuna. A few fish just won't work for Melachronis or Pseudotropheus!

  

Jesse Goslee

Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 01:28 pm
THANKS FOR YOUR ADVISE.RIGHT NOW ALL MY FISH ARE UNDER 3 INCHES,THE SMALLEST BEING 1 INCH IN LENGTH.I HAVE HAD THEM FOR 2 MONTHS.I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE COMPATABLE FISH.MY FAVORITE ARE THE L CAERELLUS.SO I WANT TO BUILD MY TANK AROUND THEM.I AM ALSO LOOKING FOR CICHLIDS THAT BREED FAIRLY EASY.ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRICIATED.

  

joycedonley

Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 08:42 pm
Yahoo has an African Cichlid group. These people really only breed Africans, so don't ask anything else off topic or they may chew you out! Not quite as friendly as us here on Pat's board, but they really know their stuff. If you plan on keeping all those different mbuna I hope you have at least a 55 gallon tank and preferably a 75 or 100 gallon. Like I said you can maybe keep a few L caerelleus in a 30 or so and get away with it, but the Pseudotropheus conspecs you have are just too aggressive and will start claiming territory at the expense of the others. I hope you have also read up on providing these guys with lots of caves and rockwork. Mine didn't develop their 'Killer' instict until I had them for 5-6 months. I have a cycled 75 gallon and have only had two executed. One L. caerellus(early demise) and one male M. johanni(can't keep two male M johanii in a 75 gallon).

  

Jesse Goslee

Monday, March 25, 2002 - 09:01 am
I plan on using a 55 gallon.I think I will get rid of the pseudotropheus and stick with the L caerellus,and add some more labidoechromis species and maybe some auloncara species.I don't know much about african cichlids.I have always had central and south american.You have a 75 gallon cycled tank.What does cycled mean?

  

joycedonley

Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 06:49 am
You can't just put the fish in the tank until enough bacteria has built up on your filters to breakdown their waste or the ammonia and nitrite levels will kill them! Read Genesis on Pat's main board. You should know all about cycling a tank if you already have SA and CA fish! Keep your Labs in groups of 4-5 so hopefully you will have a female or two in the buch. That should help keep the cross-breeding down. You should also try to get some Seachem African Rift Lake Cichlid salt if possible. Also read about the Rift Lake setup on the main board there is some really good information there. I read this article before I even bought my tanks!

  

joycedonley

Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 08:54 am
Auloncara are also called Peacocks. They are usually pretty expensive if you can find them! Really beautiful fish,usually more than one color and pretty peaceful. My Lake Malawi book says tank size min. is 100 liters(50gal) for peacocks and this is small compared to other mbuna requirements. I wouldn't dare put any in with my Pseudotropheus conspecs. Make sure you have lots of rock caves in the tank!

  

joycedonley

Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 09:17 am
Guess I need more coffee! 100 liters is 22.0 gallons. Some of the peacock were also 150 liters minimum. Anyways 55 gallon should work out fine.

 

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