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[20:03 04/06/2004] <@craig> Good evening everyone! Welcome to this weeks Live! Fish chat!
[20:03 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> hi craig :)
[20:04 04/06/2004] <@craig> Tonights speaker is NetMax you will be chatting with us on the topic of Monodactylus.
[20:04 04/06/2004] <@craig> NetMax, when ever you are ready please begin..
[20:04 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> thanks
[20:05 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> Hi gang, tonight's topic is a dynamic little fish which goes by many different names. Often called Monos, Monodactylus argenteus are the
[20:05 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> equivilant of the aquatic convertable sportscar.
[20:05 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> Highly active, voracious eaters, a mature shoal of Monos quickly become a tank's centre of
[20:05 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> attention.
[20:05 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> Belonging to the order of Perciformes, the Family of Monodactylidae has only one Genus Monodactylus
[20:06 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> and according to fishbase.org, only four
[20:06 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> species (argenteus, sebae, kottelati and falciformis).
[20:06 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> Kottelati is a marine fish and the falciformis (known as the Full Moony or Cape Moony) is not commercial available,
[20:06 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> but argenteus and sebae
[20:06 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> are seasonally available. Both come from warm waters, 24 to 28C (75 to 82F). Neither can be accurately sexed.
[20:07 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> They have a very flat body and very large eyes.
[20:07 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> Of the two, the argenteus is recognized by the bright yellow fins on a silver body, with narrow black bands
[20:07 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> The fish will reach 9" in length (and probably 8 or 9" tall).
[20:08 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> They have a wide distribution range, Indo-West Pacific: Red Sea and East Africa to Samoa, north to the Yaeyamas,south to New Caledonia and Australia.
[20:08 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> Because of their wide distribution, they are listed under many names,
[20:08 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> Silver Moony, Fingerfish, Moon Fish, Malayan Angel, Silver Angelfish,
[20:08 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> Natal Moony, Silver Batfish, Singapore Angel, Monkey, Diamondfish and the Mono.
[20:08 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> Here are a few pictures: http://www.fishbase.org/Photos/ThumbnailsSummary.cfm?ID=5807.
[20:09 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> Probably the best picture I've seen is here:
[20:09 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> http://www.kara-inci.nl/monodactylus%20argenteus.html and here http://www.akwafoto.pl/fotoreport/krakow2/mono.php of a juvenile.
[20:09 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> I'll pause a moment so those that want to call up the pictures can..
[20:10 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> The sebae can grow to 8" in length, but is a taller fish, silver, black fringe and vertical band.
[20:10 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> Shultz lists it as having the greatest height for its length, of any aquarium fish. The tip of the dorsal can fold down like a finger.
[20:10 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> The sebaes are listed as coming from the eastern Atlantic: Canary Islands and Senegal to Angola.
[20:10 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> There might be a re-classification of the sebae to Psettus sebae.
[20:11 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> Common names include African Moony, Black mono, Striped Fingerfish, Seba mono and Sea Angel.
[20:11 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> Here are a few pictures of the sebae: http://www.fishbase.org/Photos/ThumbnailsSummary.cfm?ID=9915
[20:11 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> pausing to take a sip, all this talking,... I'm losing my voice ;)
[20:12 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> All the Monos are open water fish and transport very poorly.
[20:12 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> It's uncommon to find them in pet shops which are far from major airports due to their travel mortality, and they are generally quite expensive when located.
[20:12 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> Mature specimens are quite hard to locate commercially as they are so stunning, however the Monos are not suitable for most beginners.
[20:12 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> A factor which limits their distribution into home aquariums is their space requirements.
[20:12 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> A 3 foot tank is only the most temporary accomodation,
[20:12 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> and a 4 foot tank will hold them for another year after that.
[20:13 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> The smallest tank recommended for mature fish would be 5 feet long and bigger is better.
[20:13 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> These fish will stop & turn on the preverbial dime, and can reach very high speeds.
[20:13 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> It takes them about 3 feet to reach their quite considerable maximum velocity.
[20:13 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> As they are hardwater fish (brackish) I've used them several times as ditherfish in large tanks (over 100g).
[20:13 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> They were never molested by their Africans cichlid neighbors.
[20:14 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> They keep fairly mobile, and their ability to out-run, or out-maneuver every type of African cichlid I've owned quickly meant they were simply ignored.
[20:14 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> The argenteus also had no interest in the Africans.
[20:14 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> To give you an idea of their speed, in a 5 or 6 foot tank with argenteus and assorted African cichlids,
[20:14 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> it would be possible to starve the Africans by simply always placing the food on the end opposite the fish.
[20:15 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> The argenteus would always reach the food first and would consume it all if posible.
[20:15 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> Considering how agressive African cichlids are, this gives you an idea of how voracious and quick argenteus can be.
[20:15 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> On average, a portion of bloodworms, brine shrimp or beefheart will get to a depth of about 5 or 6" before vanishing.
[20:15 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> To keep bottom-feeders fed, you throw the mono-diet in one end of the tank, and bottom-feeder pellets or algae wafers into the opposite end of the tank towards the back.
[20:16 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> Once the food is at the bottom, the argenteus will generally ignore it unless it's a wide open area.
[20:16 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> If well fed, they will not bottom feed in underbrush or between rockwork.
[20:16 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> Experienced hobbyists might avoid Monos because they are brackish water fish, but I've found them to be quite tolerant of their water conditions,
[20:16 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> from fresh to marine, moderately hard to very hard water.
[20:16 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> I've also kept sebaes in 7.7pH soft water (5dgH) with no apparent problems.
[20:16 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> Fishbase lists both as pelagic (open sea); freshwater; brackish; marine; 'mangrove estuaries, lagoons and freshwater creeks'.
[20:16 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> Mono are somewhat agressive amongst each other, so keeping them in groups of 5 to 7 is recommended (another reason for large tanks).
[20:17 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> Suitable aquascaping includes vertical structures (bamboo shoots) and tall thin plants (Vallesneria).
[20:17 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> From various articles (mostly translated, French & German), the juveniles are freshwater fish, and the adults do better with some salt added.
[20:17 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> This is not atypical for brackish water fish which swim far upstream to spawn, however the reports do not all agree.
[20:17 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> One report suggested to start adding salt when they reach 2", though my salt-free experience was good using only moderately hard water.
[20:18 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> In my conditions, I brought 3 seperate groups of argenteus from about 1" to about 5".
[20:18 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> It is not uncommon for them to stop growing at between 4 to 5"
[20:18 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> They kept good yellow coloration (a characteristic which is reported to fade with age).
[20:18 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> Their longevity is reported to reach 10 years. I didn't bring any of mine to that age as I gave them away each time I moved.
[20:18 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> If keeping them in brackish conditions, one author suggested the following plants: Microsorium pteropus (Java fern), Ciliata cryptocoryne,
[20:18 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> Gigantea vallesneria (Jungle vals) and some species of Bacopa).
[20:19 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> Mongabay.com considers the sebae to be less tolerant than the argenteus of freshwater.
[20:19 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> While they appear to eat anything, and do so with great enthusiasm, I've read reports which span a highly carnivorous diet to including spinach in
[20:19 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> their diet.
[20:19 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> I always kept mine on a wide variety of high protein foods, and if I had tried spinach or other greens and they ate it, I would continue to offer it on a weekly basis.
[20:19 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> They appear to have a high metabolism, so I think 3 feedings a day would be beneficial to them.
[20:20 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> There is very little information on breeding. One report states they will spawn in both freshwater and saltwater, and that the fry are extremely small
[20:20 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> Another report basically agrees but suggests keeping the fry in saltwater initially (from www.fishinthe.net)
[20:20 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> quote
[20:20 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> Breeding is considered somewhat difficult with raising the fry being considered almost impossible.
[20:20 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> From one breeder: It is best to use a large aquarium with a sandy substrate.
[20:20 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> A mid-sized shoal of 10-15 fish should allow for multiple males and females.
[20:20 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> The fish cannot be visibly sexed.
[20:21 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> The fish will come together and twirl towards the surface of the water, dropping eggs and sperm.
[20:21 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> The eggs should be retrieved and placed in
[20:21 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> straight salt-water. There will be ~20,000 young, most of which will perish for want of food.
[20:21 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> The fry eat zooplankton in the wild and require extremely small food. Baby brine shrimp are much too large.
[20:21 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> Suggested food for fry are rotifers and smaller zooplankton. After the fry are dime size they can be moved to a brackish tank, and to freshwater once they reach quarter size
[20:22 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> The adults breed in all water types without any real variation in the amount of fry produced. -- unquote
[20:22 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> In searching various documentation, I was hoping to have revealed more insight as to whether these fish can be kept permanently in freshwater,
[20:22 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> but the reports vary too much.
[20:22 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> My own experience indicated that freshwater works fine, but I'm going by my observations (the fish never personally complained to me).
[20:23 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> That they were always disease-free is good sign, but some diseases will not spontanteously appear, even on weak fish.
[20:23 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> If I was to judge on colouration, appetite and behaviour, I'd say that these fish were more interested in their next meal than in their water parameters.
[20:23 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> If you have a tank large enough with suitable tank-mates, then I highly recommend this very active and entertaining fish.
[20:23 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> This concludes my presentation. :)
[20:24 04/06/2004] <@craig> Well done NetMax! Thank you for being here this evening! Ready for some questions?
[20:24 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> absolutely
[20:24 04/06/2004] <@craig> Folks as usual, if you have questions, please type: /query craig I have a question
[20:25 04/06/2004] <@Jessica> you mentioned a large group for breeding, but what if you simply wish to keep them for pleasure. can they be kept solitarily or are they social? and how does this affect min tank size
[20:25 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> For schooling, I'd treat them like Silver dollars, so 2 or 3 would probably be too small a grouping...
[20:26 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> I always kept 5 to 7 and that was in a 5 foot tank
[20:26 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> you get away witha 4 foot tank if it was very open
[20:26 04/06/2004] <@craig> Adam. :-)
[20:26 04/06/2004] <+Milk> NetMax, thanks for taking some time for us!
[20:27 04/06/2004] <+Milk> My question:
[20:27 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> i hope you enjoted it
[20:27 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> *enjoyed*
[20:27 04/06/2004] <+Milk> You mentioned varied reports on keeping them in fresh or brakish conditions
[20:27 04/06/2004] <+Milk> I know that there is the same kind of reports for mollies, and I was wondering, how long did you have, or do you still have, some in freshwater conditions?
[20:28 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> 3 to 4 years, which was my average cycle with a African mbuna tank before tear-down
[20:28 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> i actually think Mollies have been better characterized
[20:29 04/06/2004] <+Milk> hrm.. thanks again!
[20:29 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> mollies are not as migratory and are not open water fishes, so their requirements can be better extrapolated
[20:30 04/06/2004] <@craig> Any other questions for NetMax?
[20:31 04/06/2004] <@craig> Adam. :-D
[20:31 04/06/2004] <+Milk> You mentioned that they were hard to find...
[20:31 04/06/2004] <+Milk> was curious, if you don't mind, as to what kind of price I could expect to find on average?
[20:32 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> In Canada, which is my only reference, they are very rare to find away from the major cities (Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver). ...
[20:33 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> In Ottawa, I order them and typically take about 50-60% losses from transport ...
[20:33 04/06/2004] <+Milk> whew
[20:33 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> I retail them for about $18, and they sell fairly quickly...
[20:34 04/06/2004] <+Milk> thanks again!
[20:34 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> The sebaes are the same price, sell less frequently and are more hardy (I've found) for transport, but I've only gotten sebaes in 3 times now
[20:34 04/06/2004] <@craig> Any other questions?
[20:35 04/06/2004] <@craig> With that.. The floor is now open for general discussion. :-)
[20:36 04/06/2004] <@Jessica> netmax, very very intriguing.. you've sparked my interest in these fish :-D
[20:36 04/06/2004] <russ> Great presentation....and thats a real good price on those fish at $18.00 :-)
[20:36 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> i hope the presentation was at a good speed..
[20:36 04/06/2004] <Obfishion> Thanks NetMax
[20:36 04/06/2004] <+Milk> it was great NetMax!!
[20:36 04/06/2004] <+Milk> best chat I've been to so far
[20:36 04/06/2004] <Obfishion> perfect speed
[20:36 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> I suppose with mortality, I should be selling them for double that, but I can't do that to my customers
[20:37 04/06/2004] <russ> as long as you can VCB them ;-)
[20:37 04/06/2004] <+Milk> you need to open a shop here.. haha
[20:37 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> I'm glad about the speed... was really guessing... VCB(?)
[20:37 04/06/2004] <russ> 'Vender charge-back'
[20:38 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> usually not... certain fishes we accept at our own risk, also Balas and a few others
[20:38 04/06/2004] <russ> ah, I understand....I usually ran into that also
[20:39 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> my Montreal importer holds them for a couple of days, and then sends what is still alive
[20:39 04/06/2004] <+Milk> I shoulda asked
[20:39 04/06/2004] <+Milk> whats your opnion on keeping them in brakish conditions their entire life
[20:39 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> remarkably though, after acclimation, they are indestructible... well almost ;)
[20:39 04/06/2004] <russ> yep, I've known that to be the case also :-)
[20:40 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> all brackish fish have the ability to regulate their salt intkae very well (which is why they can be brackish) and I think because of their high metabolism..
[20:41 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> the Monos are even better than the other brackish fish, so 100% brackish would be fine, probably less risk than 100% fresh, as they can't add salt to their environment..
[20:41 04/06/2004] <russ> metabolism is the key
[20:41 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> but can filter it out
[20:42 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> they are very active, very entertaining to watch, my customer tend to gawk at them
[20:43 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> I keep them in high tanks, to keep them less skitish, though I don't find that they are really that skittish..
[20:43 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> they are usually masters of their environment and know it
[20:43 04/06/2004] <@Jessica> awesome...
[20:43 04/06/2004] <@Jessica> now i have another large fish tank needed ;-)
[20:44 04/06/2004] <russ> I found that they too can be like happy little puppies when they may recognize they may be getting fed....lol
[20:44 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> like a tank of little yellow Ferraris.... or bees buzzing around a food supply
[20:45 04/06/2004] <russ> :-D
[20:45 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> they are shameless in their enthusiasm to eat and crowd out everyone else though
[20:45 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> many fish could starve with them as neighbors
[20:45 04/06/2004] <russ> they do tend not to miss a good meal
[20:45 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> lol
[20:46 04/06/2004] <@Jessica> lol
[20:46 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> what else would you keep with them Jessica?
[20:47 04/06/2004] <Obfishion> hopefully something as competetive at feeding time:)
[20:47 04/06/2004] <@Jessica> i'd need the tank first, but it sounds like a good tank for a large brackish. I have a violet goby who would appreciate it
[20:48 04/06/2004] <@Jessica> i haven't given much thought to inhabitants, but i've always liked the look of the serbei...
[20:48 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> danios, barbs, many cichlids, rainbowfish, even many tetras would work..
[20:48 04/06/2004] <@Jessica> i'd likely keep the softwater fish out.
[20:49 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> I find that the selection available in just brackish is too limited
[20:49 04/06/2004] <@craig> I'd be willing to bet your rainbows would do okay.. Mine are in liquid rock..
[20:49 04/06/2004] <@Jessica> they'd appreciate the larger tank.. lol
[20:49 04/06/2004] <russ> rainbows are fairly competetive also
[20:49 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> most puffers make a nuisance of themselves, archers are pushy, scats are notoriously mean spirited (just my experiences)
[20:50 04/06/2004] <russ> well put
[20:50 04/06/2004] <@craig> Russ, mine jump out of the water food, regardless of where it hits the tank..
[20:50 04/06/2004] <@Jessica> i've always like gobies, tho
[20:50 04/06/2004] <russ> my experience also
[20:50 04/06/2004] <russ> craig...lol
[20:50 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> my sebaes are in with tinfoil barbs & silver dollars... not exactly ideal water conditions, but I keep it neutral
[20:51 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> rainbowfish would be great, Boesmanis, red-stripe, iranian reds etc
[20:51 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> just not the little neon dwarfs
[20:51 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> Monos are carniverous
[20:52 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> oops, omnivorous opportunistic piscivores ;)
[20:52 04/06/2004] <@Jessica> mine are the Melanotaenia splendida splendida, at 8inches, i doubt it'd be a problem.. lol
[20:53 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> yup, I love big tanks, less work & fish always look better
[20:54 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> and when I move them from the 67g to the 110g they always take a jump in growth
[20:56 04/06/2004] <@Jessica> i think that happens alot with large fish
[20:58 04/06/2004] <Obfishion> Hi Megan:)
[20:58 04/06/2004] <megan> hi obfishion :)
[20:58 04/06/2004] <megan> i'm sorry i'm late- had an emergency with a school project :(
[20:59 04/06/2004] <@Jessica> bummer.. you missed one of the best chats..
[20:59 04/06/2004] <megan> oh man
[20:59 04/06/2004] <@Jessica> at least there's transcripts...
[20:59 04/06/2004] <megan> yeah
[21:02 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> re: splendida http://members.optushome.com.au/chelmon/Eastrain.htm good company for them, wide pH and gH range
[21:02 04/06/2004] <@Jessica> yup.. i have that site bookmarked :-D
[21:02 04/06/2004] <@Jessica> i have one rainbow thats about 6inches, and i recently got her 3 friends
[21:04 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> I have a 60g tank a work with about 100 rainbowfish in it :) They are really too expensive to market well here, but they make a beautiful tank
[21:04 04/06/2004] <@Jessica> what kind of rainbows?
[21:04 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> Don't know their sci-names, Boesmani, Iranians, Red-stripe and 2 others
[21:05 04/06/2004] <@Jessica> nice
[21:05 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> the ground crew is about 20 Royal plecs, it's a sweet tank
[21:07 04/06/2004] <russ> what size are the royals?
[21:07 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> hey, when you run a pet shop, you have some discretionary money to spend ;) the royals are about 4" to the tip of the tail
[21:08 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> not run a pet shop, just a fish dept, but that's all I'd be interested in
[21:08 04/06/2004] <russ> those are good sizes. I usually could never get them in above three inches total length
[21:08 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> i was really suprised too.... my suppliers like me
[21:09 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> just can't get zebra pleco anymore, and now Altum Angels are unavailable too :(
[21:09 04/06/2004] <@Jessica> why's that?
[21:09 04/06/2004] <russ> my discretionary money had to go to large and small furry animal supplies and herps :-/
[21:10 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> not 100% certain... heard it was embargoed... not for export, stock levels too low
[21:10 04/06/2004] <russ> the zebras?
[21:10 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> yah, I buy newts from my budget and the income goes to the reptile dept, but at least I get credit for their tank sales
[21:11 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> the altums, the zebras possibly, or just tough to find
[21:12 04/06/2004] <russ> My folks had a standard commision of 5% on stuff they sold above a certain price range(like tank combos, etc) in addition to their base
[21:13 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> we get a small commision on most items, and as dept head, I get a bit for everything as well
[21:13 04/06/2004] <russ> I got to keep it all.....then despense it....lol
[21:14 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> it's not the money though, it's the people saying I have the best shop in the city... that
makes my day
[21:14 04/06/2004] <russ> those were the good old days:-)
[21:14 04/06/2004] <russ> and....for some folks...the good present days too
[21:14 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> have you thought about returning to it?
[21:15 04/06/2004] <russ> all the time, but I do not desire to relocate for the immediate future
[21:16 04/06/2004] <russ> I have gotten several offers in the past two years, but had to table them
[21:16 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> i'm an engineering mgr, and I'm doing the pet shop stuff to get out of the house. It's fun, but the pay is .. retail
[21:16 04/06/2004] <@craig> Retail ain't so bad, I make a good living at it..
[21:16 04/06/2004] <russ> however, when that winning lottery tiket hits, well, thats a different story ;-)
[21:16 04/06/2004] <@craig> But then I am not on commission either. ;-)
[21:17 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> i don't think that i could make it seriously profitable as a business against the chains
[21:17 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> i'm at the bottom of retail though
[21:17 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> the salary climbs fine when in mgmt
[21:17 04/06/2004] <russ> The chains are actually a good place to locate next to
[21:18 04/06/2004] <@Jessica> oh?
[21:18 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> i keep telling them to built one beside PetSmart, they are thinking it over
[21:18 04/06/2004] <russ> The big chains, that is, not like the local with several shops in the region
[21:19 04/06/2004] <@craig> Folks, lets close up shop here and take the general banter to #badmanschat :-)
[21:19 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> actually, I'm off
[21:19 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> have yourselves a good evening :)
[21:20 04/06/2004] <russ> Although demographics plays a big role, knowing the market helps to prevail in the midsts of the chains
[21:20 04/06/2004] <@Jessica> thanks again
[21:20 04/06/2004] <@craig> H. Thanks again. :-D
[21:20 04/06/2004] <russ> catch you on the other side:-)
[21:20 04/06/2004] <+NetMax> I'm very happy you liked it :) bye 4 now
[21:20 04/06/2004] <@craig> See ya. :-D