- [6:03:17:] <craig> Good evening everyone! Welcome to Live!
- [6:03:52:] <craig> Tonights speaker is Chris (Chris J) and
he will be chatting on the subject of Proper Betta Care and Upkeep.
- [6:04:05:] <craig> As is usual, please hold your questions
until after the presentation.
- [6:04:13:] <craig> Chris, being when ever you are ready.
- [6:04:22:] <Chris> Thanks craig.
- [6:04:37:] <Chris> Let me first talk about how bettas are
- [6:05:34:] <Chris> Many of you know that the LFS, LPS, or
local retail stores with fish dept.'s have bettas in little cups
- [6:06:08:] <Chris> Either with or without Methlylene Blue,
which is used to prevent disease.
- [6:06:32:] <Chris> And you see that if you shake the cups,
bits of "stuff" come up.
- [6:06:40:] <Chris> This is NOT how it should be.
- [6:07:11:] <Chris> THe betta males should be in tanks that
have adequate filtration, but the current should not be too strong.
- [6:07:47:] <Chris> The best filter type is that of the Internal,
power, or external filters.
- [6:08:09:] <Chris> But of course, they should be on the minimum
setting for flow rate.
- [6:08:38:] <Chris> Also, many people think that since they
live in such small cups, that they should stay in small containers.
- [6:09:04:] <Chris> This is false. They should have at least
a 2 gallon tank, with adequate filtration.
- [6:09:30:] <Chris> In other words, anything higher than a
2g, is acceptable.
- [6:10:30:] <Chris> But this is not always done. Some people
keep the poor fishies in a jam jar, or worse: in a vase that has a
lily plant on the top.
- [6:10:58:] <Chris> THis is the worst position, in an enclosed
system, besides a puddle in a swamp.
- [6:12:24:] <Chris> now, back onto track. Besides good slow
current/filtration, and a big enough tank, They should have teh best
food available, and a mix of the wide variety available.
- [6:13:56:] <Chris> But each betta has a personality. For example,
my betta that I have in a 1 gallon tank (soon to change though...)
would not eat anything when I got him. But when I bot frozen white
mosquito larvae, he ate them with a vengeance. lol
- [6:14:33:] <Chris> Now, onto the environment of the tank.
In other terms, the aquascape.
- [6:15:26:] <Chris> If you are going for the betta's native
environment, do ALOT of research, and see what filtration is best
for that biotope.
- [6:15:50:] <Chris> But if you are not, then you can have anything
in there, WITH exceptions.
- [6:16:58:] <Chris> Some exceptions are: Some plastic plants,
jagged rocks, and anything that is pointy. THis is
- because the pointy ends will rip the elaborate fins of the male
- [6:17:50:] <Chris> Uhm, let's see....Filtration, Tank size,
aquascape, what am I missing....
- [6:18:55:] <Chris> I think that is it folks. That has to be
the shortest chat in history lol
- [6:19:17:] <Chris> Oh, and some points to add.
- [6:19:55:] <Chris> Teh average betta lives for about 2-4 years.
Try to keep the betta alive for its full life.
- [6:21:06:] <craig> While Chris is finishing up... If you have
any questions, please type: /query craig I have a question
- [6:21:23:] <craig> Go ahead Adam.
- [6:21:30:] <Chris> Bettas are carnivores, but they will eat
shelled peas for constipation. So try to keep their diet on a meaty
- [6:22:57:] <milk> oop
- [6:22:57:] <milk> sorry
- [6:23:04:] <milk> Chris, thanks for your chat!!
- [6:23:05:] <Chris> That's ok. lol
- [6:23:15:] <milk> Remember, save a life... put a betta in
a big tank.. hehe
- [6:23:16:] <milk> anyway
- [6:23:26:] <Chris> The pleasure was mine, even tho I was an
- [6:23:29:] <milk> Whats your thoughts on bettas in community
- [6:23:38:] <milk> no.. you were right on time!
- [6:23:50:] <Chris> I knew I forgot something! lol.
- [6:24:32:] <Chris> You can keep them in community tanks, but
keep them away from any fin-nipping fish, such as barbs, and some
tetras, if I am correct?
- [6:25:16:] <Chris> Anymore questions?
- [6:25:31:] <craig> Heather, ask away..
- [6:25:56:] <Hoots> I have to admit I'm one of the folks who
thinks of betta's as a walmart fish or a decorative desk top fish....(more)
- [6:27:19:] <Hoots> I've given them as gifts and never thought
of what type of water they really need to thrive, now that i've had
one in a community set up, with other fish in a higher range pH, I'm
wondering is my water alright? What parameters of pH and such do betta's
- [6:28:54:] <Chris> How high is the pH? From my sources, the
pH should be from a 6.8 - 7.4
- [6:29:28:] <Hoots> our pH here is 8.2
- [6:30:13:] <Chris> Wow! Uhm, if the betta is not showing any
signs of distress or stress, then I guess it is ok.
- [6:30:16:] <Chris> brb.
- [6:30:50:] <Chris> Back on.
- [6:30:57:] <craig> Adam.. :-)
- [6:31:29:] <craig> After Adam is done, I'll be opening the
floor for the free for all.
- [6:31:57:] <Milk> lets try that again
- [6:32:02:] <Milk> Chris,
- [6:32:09:] <Chris> yes?
- [6:32:11:] <Chris> lol
- [6:32:18:] <Milk> have you ever seen/kept anything other than
- [6:32:22:] <Milk> <sp?>
- [6:32:40:] <craig> Oops..
- [6:32:43:] <Milk> I offended him!
- [6:32:47:] <Jessica> lol
- [6:32:57:] <Chris> Stupid windows.
- [6:32:59:] <Milk> I didn't mean to offend you chris!
- [6:32:59:] <Milk> hehe
- [6:33:09:] <Milk> did you see my question?
- [6:33:11:] <Chris> no, just my stupid comp.
- [6:33:20:] <Chris> I think I did. Can you repeat the ?
- [6:33:27:] <Milk> have you ever seen/kept anything other than
- [6:33:29:] <Milk> <sp?>
- [6:33:54:] <Chris> That would be the bettas kept in teh cups
- [6:33:57:] <Chris> ;p
- [6:34:01:] <Milk> hehe
- [6:34:01:] <Milk> yes
- [6:35:05:] <Chris> Yes, I have. I have had a betta, have another
betta, have one female guppy, had some tetras, and an Indian Glassfish.
- [6:35:40:] <Chris> But of course, the following died, before
I came to Badmans: Tetras, Glassfish, and some others.
- [6:35:54:] <Milk> I actually meant any betta other than that
- [6:36:09:] <Chris> I have also kept an ADF, and
- [6:36:44:] <Chris> ohhh.... You mean another anabantoids...
- [6:36:56:] <Chris> that would be a big no. lol
- [6:37:21:] <craig> The floor is now open. :-)
- [6:37:26:] <Milk> haha
- [6:37:34:] <Jessica> thank you very much chris, great job
- [6:37:42:] <Chris> Was that the shortest chat in history or
- [6:37:49:] <Chris> lol My pleasure.
- [6:38:57:] <craig> Sorry about that folks. :-)
- [6:39:01:] <Milk> hehe
- [6:39:02:] <craig> It is now open. ;-D
- [6:39:07:] <Milk> BAD chanserv!!!
- [6:39:17:] <Chris> lol
- [6:39:21:] <megan> thanks chris :) great job
- [6:39:45:] <Chris> lol.
- [6:39:56:] <craig> Chanserv and I have, erm, issues. :-D
- [6:39:57:] <Milk> when you say other anabantoids are a big
NO, your saying you haven't kept any yourself?
- [6:40:15:] <Chris> lol @ craig
- [6:40:56:] <Chris> I have only kept bettas, and that is it.
no gourami's, opalines, etc.
- [6:41:15:] <Hoots> Chris, what do you think about commercial
breeders who keep bettas by the thousands in small jars or cups?
- [6:42:28:] <Chris> I think that is just wrong, and that they
only do it to either:
- [6:42:35:] <Chris> A) For the money
- [6:43:08:] <Chris> B) Are poor and can't keep big enough tanks
and the proper maintence needed
- [6:43:28:] <Chris> C) Both
- [6:43:41:] <russ> commercial breeders?
- [6:44:09:] <Milk> http://aquaworld.netfirms.com/Labyrinthfish/Betta/Betta_imbellis.htm
- [6:44:13:] <Milk> oohhh, I want him
- [6:44:18:] <Chris> OR D) are ingnorant
- [6:44:28:] <Hoots> as in not your typical home breeders that
do it more like a hobby
- [6:45:07:] <russ> How are so many bettas commercially raised
without having a way to seperate the males after they start to mature?
- [6:45:32:] <Hoots> you're jumpning the gun om me russ lol
- [6:45:36:] <Chris> Ok, I will get this straight: I think it
is wrong for the commercial breeders to do what they are doing, but
there are some that are nice and take care of the bettas properly.
- [6:46:37:] <russ> There are a hundred times more bettas raised
in clay pots than any other type vessel
- [6:46:40:] <Chris> BUT, I think that home breeders who do
it as a hobby are okay as long as they properly take care of them
- [6:47:41:] <Chris> Hey Obi!
- [6:47:48:] <russ> Chris, I see your point, but there is a
practicle difference between the home breeder and commercial breeder
- [6:47:57:] <russ> 'practical'
- [6:48:00:] <Jessica> clay pots russ? don't those slowly leak?
- [6:48:00:] <Obfishion> Hey, I'm late
- [6:48:16:] <Hoots> pretty porous material
- [6:48:27:] <russ> water proofed pots :-)
- [6:48:39:] <Chris> lol
- [6:48:41:] <Hoots> ah ha!
- [6:48:47:] <Jessica> ah ok, rss
- [6:48:52:] <Chris> I have to go to bed. So Guten Nacht!
- [6:48:59:] <Chris> German for Good Night!
- [6:49:00:] <Jessica> good night chris. thanks again
- [6:49:06:] <russ> Chris, thanks again, and take care:-)
- [6:49:07:] <Jessica> Gute Nacht ;-D
- [6:49:09:] <craig> Take care Chris. Thanks. :-)
- [6:49:11:] <Hoots> thank you Chris :)
- [6:49:19:] <Jessica> und bis spaeter
- [6:49:22:] <megan> thanks chris :) goodnight
- [6:49:40:] <Milk> gnite chris
- [6:49:45:] <Chris> Your welcome. I just think that it could
have been a tad longer, and if i remembered, I would have been on
- [6:50:07:] <Jessica> chris..
- [6:50:09:] <Jessica> you were on time
- [6:50:21:] <Chris> Jess, what does und bis spaeter mean?
- [6:50:24:] <Jessica> it starts 8pm est - indiana eastern
- [6:50:30:] <russ> There are actually about fifty strains of
bettas divided into 10-11 groups which are again divided into two
sets of groups.. Bubblenest builders and mouth brooders
- [6:50:33:] <Jessica> bis spaeter.. see you later
- [6:50:41:] <Chris> Oh.
- [6:50:48:] <Jessica> :-)
- [6:50:56:] <Chris> well Guten Nacht again. lol
- [6:52:16:] <Jessica> go on russ :-)
- [6:53:29:] <russ> Don't see too many of the mouth brooders
in shops though
- [6:53:36:] <Hoots> are strains actually species? I'm no good
when it gets into the technical stuff
- [6:53:56:] <russ> everyone seems to key in on the betta splendins
(Pla Kat Cheen)
- [6:54:14:] <russ> Yes, I ment species
- [6:54:20:] <russ> sorry:-)
- [6:54:46:] <russ> the strains would probably range in the
- [6:54:56:] <Hoots> wow, why don't we see more of them?
- [6:55:24:] <Hoots> or do we and just don't id them correctly?
- [6:55:28:] <russ> 99 out of a 100 folks likes the splendins
with the flowing finage
- [6:55:40:] * craig is not a betta fan
- [6:56:30:] <russ> chanes are that we(reg hobbyists) have probably
came in contact with at least three species and several strains, but
did not realize it
- [6:56:43:] <Jessica> russ, do you know, there are short-finned
spendins available, right?
- [6:57:07:] <russ> Craig, I'm not either, after rearing thousands
of them and comming out of my ears...lol
- [6:57:20:] <Jessica> lol
- [6:58:33:] <russ> the short finned splenins are most likely
a combo of splenden strains that are offshoots of the 'real' fighting
- [6:58:50:] <Jessica> hehe
- [6:59:19:] <russ> the fishters are larger with rounded finnage,
large heads and jaws
- [6:59:27:] <russ> 'fighters'
- [7:00:20:] <russ> but the larger of the betta genus and species
is actually a mouth brooder
- [7:00:40:] <russ> it can achieve about 4 inches TL
- [7:01:38:] <Hoots> suitable for a community or a species only
- [7:02:10:] <russ> Can't remember the species, but I think
its either B. pulchra or B. pugnax. Have to verify with fishbase
- [7:03:05:] <russ> Being that it will be rather expensive and
rarer, I would chance it with only a species tank set up
- [7:03:21:] <russ> a ten-15 gal would do nicly
- [7:07:41:] <russ> Well, I'm going to retire over to the reg